Immigrants Are “Stealing Our 14th Amendment Rights” Says Black Activist

Immigrants Are “Stealing Our 14th Amendment Rights” Says Black Activist
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The Fourteenth Amendment, written as a Reconstruction amendment after the Civil War, was intended to benefit recently freed slaves who were being denied their rights in the South.

The first sentence of the amendment states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States.”

However, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, author of the citizenship clause, expressly said: “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”

Open borders activists as well as legal scholars have disputed the intent of Howard’s comments, however.

 

Still, African-American activists are becoming more vocal in describing how this interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, which extends citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, is hurting the African-American community.

In an interview with RT, activist Ted Hayes says illegal immigrants are stealing the birthright of African-Americans as extended by the Fourteenth Amendment.

“We can’t even go in neighborhoods that were once black for fear of being shot, beaten, what have you…”, said Hayes. Black people will be “eliminated” if we continue to extend citizenship to illegal immigrants,  Hayes added.

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Chaya Camote
Chaya Camote

From 2013 still relevant since there is a myth that perpetrated by Antiblack racists and the like, and ignorant more comfortable Black folks that say Black Americans won't do the work. Let's not pretend that: "Lazy Americans" "Entitled" is not coded jabs at Deep Generational Black Americans. From the article: But as Congress weighs immigration legislation expected to expand the guest worker program, another group is increasingly crying foul — Americans, mostly black, who live near the farms and say they want the field work but cannot get it because it is going to Mexicans. They contend that they are illegally discouraged from applying for work and treated shabbily by farmers who prefer the foreigners for their malleability. “They like the Mexicans because they are scared and will do anything they tell them to,” said Sherry Tomason, who worked for seven years in the fields here, then quit. Last month she and other local residents filed a federal lawsuit against a large grower of onions, Stanley Farms, alleging that it mistreated them and paid them less than it paid the Mexicans. Read more: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/us/suit-cites-race-bias-in-farms-use-of-immigrants.html

itstime17
itstime17

Black people will focus on Black issues.  We must do this for our own survival and self preservation, so that our children and theirs will have a place in the future that is not on their faces begging bread.  The 14th Amendment is, was and always will be for the descendants of my ancestors, African Chattel Slaves in America.  Every other is using this fraudulently, sad to say.  The 14th Amendment birthright citizenship being granted to non citizens must no longer be applied as it does not apply to these people!  Black people must unite under the term, 'Black', and not "minority" for it lends to all non Whites the over 400 years plus of holocaust and torture and terrorism that my people have sustained simply for standing on American soil and being a non White person who is not male.  This ends.  Nothing personal but we can no longer stand and fight against our own best interests.  We, too, need to eat, to live, to breathe, and OUR Dreamers, our future generations, need the same.

Anthony Saucillo
Anthony Saucillo

Hayes is a fraud. I remember him claiming to be homeless while owning a huge Pasadena home. He is as irrelevant as those racists wanting the wall.

itstime17
itstime17

@CesarGomez1  I agree that ALL Americans need to unite to make our country great, strong and the undeniable leader of the future; however, I do question the call from Hispanics for Blacks to unite with them when, throughout our struggles past and present, they (Hispanics) have been quiet and nowhere to be found, even being the oppressor many times.  I know this from personal experience, from the stories of other Blacks and from research. Nothing personal but Blacks must focus on Black issues that ensure our self preservation.  This does not mean we are against you....but we can no longer take action that's is against OURSELVES.

Liliflor Arte
Liliflor Arte

You're on Native Land..... Stolen Land!!!! Period...let that sink in, fighting for crumbs Ted Hayes gtfoh.

Lisa Richardson
Lisa Richardson

Famous quote: "We have met the enemy and he is us". By Walt Kelly. No offense...just saying its time to take stock and do for SELF. Its been done before. We have always known who the enemy is and its not hispanics.

Kenith Bolston
Kenith Bolston

I said this once and I've said it before after watching the gumball Theory posted by a scientist it will be cheaper and better to keep immigrants and refugees and their own land just stop destroying and attacking their Homeland and rebuild it and let them stay where they're at

Patricia Bernard
Patricia Bernard

this reminds me of the South Africans killing other Africans for taking their jobs.....just nothing but slavery mentality...we protect our masters but attack each other...smh

Mike Smithh
Mike Smithh

Please! The ignorant blacks who come from these illiterate families..They're the the ones who allow their children to continue the cycle of welfare and ISS dependency.. I wish these people would stop blaming immigrants.. Michelle Obama or Reginald F.Lewis Dr.Ben Carson didn't! Get over it! Get a education or just remain left behind...

Jordan Pauley
Jordan Pauley

Wow. Such Nonsense. There are a whole continent of black people in Africa. So this race elimination preposition is preposterous. There are issues surrounding immigration but this is a little extreme. Some valid points, but the conclusion takes it to a ridiculous level.

Xuma Collins
Xuma Collins

My question to Ted Hayes and his followers; do you really think....14th Amendment made you am American citizen? The 13th Amendment establishes the abolition of slavery, but left a clause "except as punishment for a crime" and so the the whiteman used this clause to incarcerate a large number of color people and placed them into private prisons in order to work for penny on the dollar; like slaves, but you think that you're a citizen. Just think for a moment. Do you think white and rich people don't commit crime too? When it comes to the 15th Amendment; the right to vote, some of our people are disenfranchised and denied the rights to vote, but you think that you're a citizen. Checkout the natives at 'Standing Rock' DAPL , these people got no voice in their own land. So I say who are you Mr. American Citizen? Do you really feel that you are one of them? When the police is persecuting you, for being Black, don't forget to remind him, that you're am American citizen. He probably will treat you like he treats himself. I will leave you with a quote from the Hom. Minister Luis Farrakhan " The constitution was never a guaranteed, but nobody defends it more than a Slave; who it does not applies to" Hahahah! He went on to show a slavery mind exquisiteness in defending the constitution. Pls. don't fight to be a better slave, but fight to be a better human being. In reality most of the wealth brought in this country are stolen from the very immigrants' land. Especially after bombing and running amok on their land, we share the spoils of war.Brown

Aloysius Hatter
Aloysius Hatter

I'm Not even on TV and I've Been Saying this!! It what this Country Been wanting for Years!! Its a Convenient Way 2 get Rid of BLACK PEOPLE in THE SLICKEST WAY!! ABSOLUTELY!!

Leigh Rivers
Leigh Rivers

Negro please. #SeveralSeats #OldRevolutionaryBlues

J Ted Williams
J Ted Williams

We need to be preparing for a war with Bannon, Sessions, NRA, and Trump---not immigrants---their attack is on the horizon----education and staying spiritual is the key to our success (survival) --- these people will attack our HBCU's and our right to vote while we sleep and argue with each other--this will be a terrible blow---WAKE UP-------of course there are lower wages, etc. that is contributed to people who are desperate to work---slavery vs. poor whites--this is nothing new---we lack leadership--which is being forced upon children "Black Lives Matter" standing out front--this is ridiculous--our leaders have gotten fat and soft--unless we formulate a viable plan--we may be running and hiding just like the Hispanics--the modern version of overseers and slave catchers are gathering--we have already witness their work on too many occasions

Adriene Leach Jamison
Adriene Leach Jamison

I remember seeing a documentary wish I could remember the name of it, they were interviewing white people about the rising immigrant population they were talking junk about black people and most of they said was glad that the immigrants was coming here to take jobs from the black People the interviewer ask them were they concerned about the immigrants taking their jobs, they said "NO" because they are only taking the black people's jobs because blacks was lazy and they didn't want to work blacks want to live off the government THE TRUTH IS black People didn't want to work for pennies and can't take care of our own families unless they work two jobs, that is still a form of slavery. The only thing that we as black people have ever wanted was equality so that we can live a life in peace and take care of our families. This is America we do not supposed to be here suffering like this our ancestors did all the suffering for us through slavery so white people need to get over it, (Hypocrites all of them going to have to answer to God the ones that did not stand up for us) they blame us for racism but they are racist they are bigots they play the race card they blame us for everything. They've been reporting fake news about us a long time demonizing our race all over the news to the world. The fake news Donald Trump talk about yeah we know all about it, they've been trying to demonize and destroy black people for a long time Donald Trump know all about it because he was part of the fake news! Yeah, the media is the enemy to the black man.

William Ballard
William Ballard

Black people open their eyes and realize we do not have any friends all we have is each other. Those same people who we are marching with I wonder when it's time for us will they be there.

Gaspar Santos
Gaspar Santos

When someone's beating you down. You punch back, not sideways.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

(Wayne A. Cornelius “Controlling ‘Unwanted’ Immigration: Lessons from the United States, 1993-2004” ‘Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies’ Vol. 31(4) 2005).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

“Another option would be to build a true ‘Maginot Line’ of fortifications along the entire 2,000-mile border with Mexico, extending or replicating the extant enforcement operations and squeezing illegal entries into ever-narrower corridors that could be monitored more closely. Such a project would require tens of billions of dollars in new expenditure and cause major disruption in the economies of border states and cities. Moreover, the record of the past decade is that fixed fortifications do not stop unauthorized migrants, any more than they stop mechanized armies; the simply rechannel them and create more opportunities for professional smugglers to cash in on the traffic” (Wayne A. Cornelius “Controlling ‘Unwanted’ Immigration: Lessons from the United States, 1993-2004” ‘Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies’ Vol. 31(4) 2005 p. 785).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"David Roediger and Noel Ignatiev would place the decisive period in the formation of the White race later, in the period 1820 to 1850, when the United States was undergoing an industrial revolution and the White working class was affirming its White racial status (and eliding its class consciousness) by setting itself off from the Black working class, slave and free" (Paul Spickard "Almost All Aliens: Immigration, Race, and Colonialism in American History and Identity" p. 77). https://www.amazon.com/Almost-All-Aliens-Immigration-Colonialism/dp/0415935938/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488142122&sr=8-1&keywords=Paul+Spickard+"Almost+All+Aliens:+Immigration,+Race,+and+Colonialism+in+American+History+and+Identity

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"[A]actually in the last four or five years undocumented immigration to the United States has reversed and more than a million people have gone back to Mexico. Not only because the U.S. was having a recession but eventually Mexico began employing those people who previously could not find jobs" (Roderic Ai Camp qtd in. "Book Discussion on Politics." 'Book TV.' CSPAN2. April 2016. Television).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"In Texas’s 28th Congressional district, for example, Representative Henry Cuellar says the transition team requested suggestions for locations that would be appropriate for a “wall or fencing.” In Laredo, which is in Cuellar’s district, Mayor Pete Saenz tells the Times that he has spoken with U.S. Border Patrol about installing “additional fencing, lighting, roads, surveillance equipment and other security measures along portions of the border" (Adam K. Raymond "In Texas, Trump’s ‘Big, Beautiful Wall’ Is Morphing Into a Series of Fences" 'New York Magazine' 12/22/2016). "So, apart from possibly doing irreparable harm to the environment and causing hundreds of needless deaths, border fencing appears to be a colossal waste of money" (Timothy J. Henderson "Beyond Borders: A History of Mexican Migration to the United States" p. 144). http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/trumps-wall-is-morphing-into-a-series-of-fences.html?mid=facebook_nymag

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"Frost's poems are darker than his reputation might suggest. Many deal with the isolation and loneliness of the human condition. For instance, do not forget that the memorable line in 'Mending Wall,' 'Good fences make good neighbors,' is uttered by 'an old-stone savage armed...[and moving] in darkness' (Joseph Kelly ed. "The Seagull Reader: Poems" Third Edition p. 119,121). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7CklKfxa4

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"[F]or most ordinary Mexicans nowadays it is virtually impossible to migrate legally to the United States. And yet the lack of jobs in Mexico and the availability of jobs in the United States have made immigration practically inevitable and most likely unstoppable. Certainly, walls and fences-the latest craze-have proved INEFFECTIVE and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE" (Timothy J. Henderson "Beyond Borders: A History of Mexican Migration to the United States" (2011) p. 5).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"Although there is ample evidence that undocumented immigrants are far less of a burden on American society than is often claimed--that is, that they do not compete for jobs, drive down wages, and use social services to such a great extent--that misses the point. Surely society will always require low-paid work in many sectors of the economy, but there is no requirement that that work always be done by ethnic minorities. Maintaining such a large proportion of the Mexican population of the United States in an 'illegal' status has a number of pernicious effects. It tends to reinforce the link between immigration and crime in the minds of many Americans, and hence places all Mexicans, whether in the country legally or illegally, at a disadvantage" (Timothy J. Henderson "Beyond Borders:A History of Mexican Migration to the United States" 2011 p. 5). https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Borders-History-Mexican-Migration/dp/1405194308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488141235&sr=8-1&keywords=Timothy+J.+Henderson+"Beyond+Borders:A+History+of+Mexican+Migration+to+the+United+States

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"Even today, domestic race relations and fears that certain immigrants (especially immigrants of color) are not as assimilable or desirable as others have reinforced the role of race in immigration policies" (Erika Lee "At Americas Gates: Chinese Immigration During the Exclusion Era, 1882-1943" p. 20). "Americans learned to define 'Americanness' by excluding and containing foreignness" (Erika Lee "At Americas Gates: Chinese Immigration During the Exclusion Era, 1882-1943" p. 21).https://www.amazon.com/Americas-Gates-Immigration-Exclusion-1882-1943/dp/0807854484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488141080&sr=8-1&keywords=Erika+Lee+"At+Americas+Gates:+Chinese+Immigration+During+the+Exclusion+Era,+1882-1943

Cynthia Kyles
Cynthia Kyles

The Black's are the most rejected for immigrantion.

Chaya Camote
Chaya Camote

When you support illegal immigration Black citizenship ends being worth used toilet paper. Deep Generational Black Americans should be organizing and supporting for immigration reform. "The disparate treatment given one of our own versus a man of a protected class hangs heavily on critics of the criminal justice system. “The mayor is going out of his way to protect this immigrant. Good for him,’’ Paul Prestia, a lawyer representing the Browder family in a $20 million lawsuit against various city agencies, told me bitterly. “But he did not show the backbone in going after those responsible for the tragedy that was Kalief Browder. Juxtapose the sanctuary law with young men and women in the city. Why wasn’t more done to protect them?’’." Because he was BLACK. #nonblackbenefit don't even have to be a citizen to benefit from Antiblackness as a Nonblack person, that's how deep this system goes. source: http://nypost.com/2017/02/24/illegal-immigrant-gangbanger-gets-better-deal-than-innocent-american/

Chaya Camote
Chaya Camote

Even though the research shows that mono language English education helps Spanish speaking household kids learn English faster and deeper, you still have some areas that want to keep it bilingual? Why? Because a NonEnglish market keeps Black Americans out. Poor White people are gonna be hurt by this but hey they can get a hook up or move, Black people not so much. Multiculturalism/diversity mantra is refined racist/"liberal" tactic to keep Black people on the bottom where they dump the immigrants. Displacing Black people from neighborhoods and competing for the jobs that are barely there. The video is titled: The New Attack on Children Trying to Learn English https://youtu.be/ati-xk07Mz0

Kingstro Linda
Kingstro Linda

LS Elhilaly This is the voice of 1 Black delusional person; the reality is that the majority of the jobs now done by Hispanics, were once done by Black Americans, and millions of those types of people still exist within the Black and White Community.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

Breaking Brown, you are on the wrong side of the argument.

Gil Salk
Gil Salk

First, Black workers should not be passed over in favor of anybody - no argument. - - Second, "Hispanics" does NOT = "illegal immigration", despite what the Trumpist and Republicans would like us to think. - - Third, the enemy here is not Hispanics or illegal immigrants. The enemy is employers who take advantage of Black and Hispanic and illegal immigrant unemployment issues.

Mkimbizi Wa'Kilunda
Mkimbizi Wa'Kilunda

Your not even consider citizen in this country, but you worry about working?? It's time to do for ThySelf. Economical slavery ain't no joke. No one will hire you and pay you $10 per he, when he can pay $5 monthly.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

Yea, lets attack immigrants and not the capitalist system that alienates individuals from society and divides and conquers the working and poor class. Way to engage in classism.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"In some instances, the cultural domination was so complete as to amount to what Antonio Gramsci termed 'hegemony' : that domination so complete that the one dominated knows not he is being dominated, but thinks it the natural order of things" (Paul Spickard "Almost All Aliens: Immigration, Race, and Colonialism in American History and Identity" p. 24).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"If the central theme of American history, as Oscar Handling wrote, has been immigration, the central problem of American history, since slavery days, arguably has been the problem of race. Although 'race' may be a social construct, the concept has been used to order a system of 'racial' subordination and domination. Race has molded immigrant identity and structured the politics of citizenship. It has shaped U.S. immigration policy, but it also has informed the ways in which immigrants and their children have been incorporated into American society; how they have related to each other and to the native-born; and how the native-born have reacted to them" (John J. Bukowczyk "Immigrant Identity and the Politics of Citizenship: A collection of articles from the Journal of American History" p. 6). https://www.amazon.com/Immigrant-Identity-Politics-Citizenship-Collection-ebook/dp/B01GW8NUPK/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&keywords=john j. bukowczyk Immigrant Identity and the Politics of Citizenship&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&qid=1484322933&ref_=mp_s_a_1_1&sr=8-1

Kingstro Linda
Kingstro Linda

Gil Salk Easy for you to say; the Anchor kids by illegals are racist as hell, and refuse to hire Black Americans. In addition, majority of the businesses here in America are owned by immigrants.

BreakingBrown
BreakingBrown

People on this thread who are saying we are being "baited" really don't know the data. Talk to me in numbers, not vapid emotion. "Borjas research paper titled “Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities” stated “The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally ‘explains’ about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less.” Taken on its face this would mean that immigration influx has resulted in tens of thousands of additional African Americans serving time behind bars."

Roger Williams
Roger Williams

I am not denying that immigration has a negative impact on the lives of African Americans. However, let's say that we get rid of all immigrants (including ones recently from the continent of Africa), wouldn't we still be left with a rigged, biased, and highly anti-Black system that robs the wealth, mental health, and in many cases, the very lives of African Americans? Immigrants fleeing their countries is a symptom of a larger problem, a broader disease of white supremacist domination of the entire planet. THAT is what we need to fight. When we push back against White supremacy globally, people would be less inclined to flee their countries.

Willie Daniels
Willie Daniels

When y’all start talking about the data / the numbers, you may lose a few people with that data talk, but not everyone, it might be better off saying in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Atlanta, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Charlotte and so on, that this is happening. I'm just saying.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

Way to engage in classism. The tactic to divide & conquer is real & apparently effective.

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"Even today, domestic race relations and fears that certain immigrants (especially immigrants of color) are not as assimilable or desirable as others have reinforced the role of race in immigration policies" (Erika Lee "At Americas Gates: Chinese Immigration During the Exclusion Era, 1882-1943" p. 20). "Americans learned to define 'Americanness' by excluding and containing foreignness" (Erika Lee "At Americas Gates: Chinese Immigration During the Exclusion Era, 1882-1943" p. 21).https://www.amazon.com/Americas-Gates-Immigration-Exclusion-1882-1943/dp/0807854484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488141080&sr=8-1&keywords=Erika+Lee+"At+Americas+Gates:+Chinese+Immigration+During+the+Exclusion+Era,+1882-1943

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"[T]he Exclusion Act marks the first time in American history that the United States barred a group of immigratnts because of its race and class. The act also set the terms for the first large-scale deportation of an immigrant group” (Erika Lee "At Americas Gates: Chinese Immigration During the Exclusion Era, 1882-1943" p.2).https://www.amazon.com/Americas-Gates-Immigration-Exclusion-1882-1943/dp/0807854484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488141080&sr=8-1&keywords=Erika+Lee+"At+Americas+Gates:+Chinese+Immigration+During+the+Exclusion+Era,+1882-1943

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"Although there is ample evidence that undocumented immigrants are far less of a burden on American society than is often claimed--that is, that they do not compete for jobs, drive down wages, and use social services to such a great extent--that misses the point. Surely society will always require low-paid work in many sectors of the economy, but there is no requirement that that work always be done by ethnic minorities. Maintaining such a large proportion of the Mexican population of the United States in an 'illegal' status has a number of pernicious effects. It tends to reinforce the link between immigration and crime in the minds of many Americans, and hence places all Mexicans, whether in the country legally or illegally, at a disadvantage" (Timothy J. Henderson "Beyond Borders:A History of Mexican Migration to the United States" 2011 p. 5).https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Borders-History-Mexican-Migration/dp/1405194308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488141235&sr=8-1&keywords=Timothy+J.+Henderson+"Beyond+Borders:A+History+of+Mexican+Migration+to+the+United+States

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"[I]n 2008 the Absolute vodka company was obliged to apologize for wounding American sensibilities with its ad depicting Mexico with its pre-1848 border" (Timothy J. Henderson "Beyond Borders: A History of Mexican Migration to the United States).

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"The language and symbols of an authentic American fascism would, of course, have little to do with the original European models. They would have to be familiar and reassuring to loyal Americans as the language and symbols of the original fascisms were familiar and reassuring to many Italians and Germans, as Orwell suggested... .No swastikas in an American fascism, but Stars and Stripes (or Stars and Bars) and Christian crosses. No fascist salute, but mass recitations of the pledge of allegiance. These symbols contain no whiff of fascism in themselves, of course, but an American fascism would transform them into obligatory litmus test for detecting the internal enemy. Around such reassuring language and symbols and in the event of some redoubtable setback to national prestige, Americans might support an enterprise of forcible national regeneration, unification, and purification. It's targets would be the First Amendment, separation of Church and State (creches on the lawns, prayers in schools), efforts to place controls on gun ownership, desecrations of the flag, unassimilated minorities, artistic license, dissident and unusual behavior of all sorts that could be labeled antinational or decadent" (Robert O. Paxton "The Anatomy of Fascism" p. 202). http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2815

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

"With their endurance still waining after their grueling desert crossings, Rosario, Marcelino, and Armando wore the prints off their fingertips picking cantaloupes twelve hours a day, seven days a week, in the burning desert sun until the harvest was in. And as astonishing as it may seem to those who've never endured such rigorous work, there were no picket lines of angry gringo farm workers shouting them down for stealing their jobs" (John Annerino "Dead in their Tracks: Crossing America's Dessert Borderlands" p. 74). https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Their-Tracks-America-s-Borderlands/dp/0816527652/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=51PvJn3auwL&dpPl=1&keywords=Dead in their Tracks&pi=SY200_QL40&qid=1481782134&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_3&sr=8-3

Matt Dendy
Matt Dendy

Breaking Brown, you are being baited.

Patty Wilkerson
Patty Wilkerson

. YOU WANT TO PREVENT POOR people from coming here to make a better life for themselves and the people in this country , even though economists shows that they help create demand for godos and services that americans want and create demand for new labor to create those goods and services that americans want. You ma'am., are an authoritarian witch. IF I was illegal alien and you try to use violence to stop me from coming here to make a better life for myself DIRECTLY, I beat your ass

Cree Seven
Cree Seven

Roger Williams , yes, we WOULD still be left with a GLOBAL SYSTEM of of Anti-Blackness, even without U.S. immigrants, I agree. HOWEVER, where I think you err is in thinking that it is a system of White Supremacy that is driving Anti-Blackness. No. It is clear to me that a GLOBAL SYSTEM of Anti-Blackness has produced a system of white supremacy. Put simply. Non-black people would rather submit to people less black than themselves than to allow black people to flourish. White people don't coerce them into this behavior. There are more of them than white people and if they fought back with us, there would be no white supremacy. Other non-black people cooperate with the hierarchical Anti-Black system because they have more inherent aversion to/fear of us than discomfort with their subordination to white people. It is time to discard the white/Nonwhite paradigm. That does not match the evidence/data. The evidence is that the ruling paradigm is Nonblack over Black.

Roger Williams
Roger Williams

Cree Seven, but it IS a system of Whtie supremacy mythology that is driving global anti-Blackness. Remember, white supremacy mythology isn't only confined to the United States. Racist ideas about dark-skinned African people were globalized centuries before there was anything called the United States. Contemporarily, anti-Black rhetoric has been intensified by Hollywood and the entertainment industry, which helps to embed racist ideas in the mind of many immigrants, including Black immigrants from the Caribbean and continental Africa. What most elitist, White racist people won't admit is that they benefit from immigration because they use it as yet another tool to denigrate Black Americans with this notion of the "model minority", i.e.: basically saying, "Hey, Black Americans, why can't you be more like the Jamaicans or the Nigerians... They're Black too?" IT's all an evil game, and African-descended people, whether immigrants or natural-born Africans in the US, need to stop playing into it. We need to intensify our unification efforts as a Diaspora, not create further division... Leave that to racist White people because that's all they know: the two D's: Division and Death.

Margaret Haule
Margaret Haule

Matt Dendy Black people know their communities better than you. It's not for you to tell us what's best for our communities.

Cree Seven
Cree Seven

Roger Williams, east and south Asian literature and art show that their societies gloried in pale skin long before any wide-scale contact with white people. Arabs had black people in chattel slavery before white people arrived. Persians, too. It seems to me that black people have a hard time emotionally coming to the terms with the fact that we are disliked by everyone---seemingly inherently.

Cree Seven
Cree Seven

And, lets remember, that black people have been virtually been stomped out of existence everywhere where nonblack peoples reside and where we once were the dominant population in terms of numbers....I.e., we were the first peoples everywhere on this planet. Do you think we decided not to remain or procreate in Asia, Arabia, Persia, the Americas voluntarily?

Roger Williams
Roger Williams

Cree Seven current racial attitudes show a direct line to European and, to a lesser extent, Arab exposure. Yes, darker skin has been an issue for quite sometime before large scale Euroepean contact. HOWEVER, the assignment of the notions of moral depravity, slovenliness, and ineptitude to one's dark skin is almost of purely European construction and imagination. It is the latter configuration that I'm referring to.

Cree Seven
Cree Seven

Roger Williams, I hear you. The negative attributes assigned to black people have varied according to century, decade, and region of the world. White people used to say that black people were child-like and obedient during U.S. chattel slavery. At the end of that period as they do now, they said we were prone to criminality/moral/depravity. Other nonblack people used to describe black people as brave and cunning and to be feared. Now they say we are inept. The SYSTEM morphs according to circumstance but still for the designed product: Black Oppression. And, that SYSTEM, Anti-Blackness, has been going among all nonblack people of the world long before white people (the least black), were inevitably, perched in the top position.