Black S.C. Doctor: “I Am the Only Minority Physician in That Entire Hospital — Period”

Black S.C. Doctor: “I Am the Only Minority Physician in That Entire Hospital — Period”
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A black South Carolina doctor says his patients come from miles away just to be seen by a black doctor. To make matters worse, the doctor alleges that the hospital for which he works has intentionally discriminated against him, making it difficult for him to maintain his practice.

Dr. Jonathan Jennings, a doctor at Roper St. Francis Mount Pleasant Hospital, says patients cross state lines to be treated by him, according to the Post and Courier.

“I have people that come from as far as Savannah. I have people that come from Moncks Corner, everywhere. They come and they drive past dozens of physicians because they want to be taken care of by a black doctor,” he said.

Jennings is one of a small number of black doctors in the state, and in America. According to the Courier‘s report, the Association of American Medical Colleges estimates that less than 4 percent of all physicians in the United States are African-American. In South Caroline, 5.8 percent of doctors are black.

Jennings filed a lawsuit against Roper St. Francis last month, alleging, according to the Courier, that the hospital “denied him adequate work space and consistently sabotaged his ability to practice medicine because he is black. Jennings said it’s clear hospital leaders favor white doctors because they hire so few black ones.”

“I am the only minority physician in that entire hospital — period,” he said.

Roper St. Francis has denied the allegations.

Al Jazeera reported on racial disparities in health care in a 2014 article.

“The legacy of years of racial discrimination has led to a disproportionately low number of African-American doctors. A 2009 Health System Change report, for example, found that the physician workforce was about 74 percent white and 4 percent black, while the U.S. population as a whole was 69 percent white and 12 percent black during the same year.”

Many African-Americans and Latinos view the health care system as racist and routinely choose doctors of their own race.

An expert shed some light on one of the reasons for the low numbers of black doctors.

“Let’s go back to the number of African-American doctors who finish medical school — it continues to be low,” said Dr. Thad Bell, former director of diversity at MUSC, who was interviewed by the Courier “It’s better than it was 10 years ago, but it’s nowhere close to being where it needs to be to satisfy the current number of African-Americans we have in our state.”

 

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GinaAckworth
GinaAckworth

My daughter was pre-med but the specific field she wanted to be in is being phased out as a specialty.  However, the requirements were crazy. To apply to med school costs hundreds of $$ not knowing if you'll be accepted. Also, some universities won't accept community college credits.  There could be many more applicants I think if the process had not been hijacked. We're getting drs who don't care about patients but the quantity they have. I know a physician whose reviews are so poor. I don't see how he's still in practice. Makes patients wait hrs to be seen. His bedside manner is deplorable but he brings in grants for the school. I will report an resident in a minute if he is rude and condescending. Even my dentist has two or three half day work weeks.

seashelllois
seashelllois


I know the feeling, I've been the only Black in laboratories for years. I'm now seventy-two. You should look into filing a "Racial Isolation" lawsuit. I wish you well young man. By God's grace stay strong!


The Civil Rights Act of 1964, at its apex, did little or nil to lift the veil of discrimination in many professional/para-professional/non-professional careers. During the 60’s era, I sought employment relative to pursuing an undergraduate degree in Medical Technology usually working 32-40+ hrs. /wk. Beginning in 1963, at Cedar Sinai Hospital, as a Ward Clerk. In 1964, I went to work as an EKG Technician Kaiser Permanente Hospital. Cedars and Kaiser were both in Hollywood, CA at that time.

 
Escaping a crazy husband led me home to New Orleans, LA where I landed a most memorable job. Gerald Domingue, PhD hired me as his Laboratory Assistant in the urology department of Charity Hospital/Tulane Medical School. Blacks that worked there all held service positions in maintenance, custodial, and the cafeteria. They were all so elated to see another Black wearing a lab coat. I felt honored as each person commended me for analyzing the microbial and and biochemical constituents of urine. The only individual they had ever seen in a lab coat was White or of foreign descent. 


Later years, 1985, my last time working in a hospital was as a Phlebotomist and Medical Biller at Hoag Presbyterian Hospital, Newport Beach, CA.
Up until that time, I had never once come face-to-face with a Black Medical Doctor or Specialist in any of the hospitals aforementioned. The Los Angeles Basin was the mecca of high-rise medical buildings where Blacks were in private/group practice. And, I only trusted my life in the hands of a Black practitioner. Why do you suppose....? ? Of late, I've been treated by other practitioners, but then, I haven't never been really ill. I'll cross that bridge when I get there meanwhile, I'll do my research!!!!!!

LizzyBriscoeWilson
LizzyBriscoeWilson

I believe this doctor can find some doctors who can work with him because he is a good doctor. It happens all over the country. I have seen it happen and they have affiliations with good hospitals that treat doctors with dignity, the most important difference is all doctors stand together and will not accept or tolerate any doctor being discriminated agains or they all cut affiliations. That is how we can solve racial discrimination in the country, everyone black, white and brown work together to make discrimination economically unacceptable and morally not tolerated. Discrimination is "our" problem, not a black, brown or white problem. Diversity is our strength, let's stand together and be stronger than our "weakest" citizens. Democracy can never be maintained when some individuals are treated unfair. Dr. Jennings must sue the hospital he is affiliated with now to be treated fairly or move on and find a better place to practice so he can help his patients. South Carolina has a horrible history to overcome when it come to discrimination, so I pray he finds a place to treat his patients that will accept him and the patients as equals. There are some people there, so it is possible. One way to break down barriers is making an efforts to increase diversity in their practice. They have to recruit qualified physicians, nurses and administrators that are diverse. I wish him well and pray he continue to help his patients.

Skibear1
Skibear1

I had to open account just to say how can anybody use the word lazy in the same sentence when you are talking about African Amercian when this country was made on our backbone.Also in reference to hospital we created hospitals and medicine people came to us to teach them this is not statistic a FACT so yes we can build our own hospital and enough of them.

CarolJCarpenter
CarolJCarpenter

@Skibear1 Absolutely you can! (I had to open an account, too.) I really dislike stereotypes and generalizations in anything. There's no "one size fits all."  Thanks for speaking up!

Watchful
Watchful

The shortage of blk doctors in the U.S. is a very real and serious issue and it doesn't appear it'll be solved anytime soon and the numbers clearly bear that out. If u read the following article, u'll see just how daunting a task it will be to provide enough doctors not only for the blk population specifically, but the overall population in general. And when u factor in an increasingly older population of baby boomers who will be enrolling in medicare and Obamacare in the coming years the problem looks to be even more overwhelming than it already is.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-alexander/the-doctors-shortage-a-cr_b_6372032.html

Johnw11
Johnw11

@Watchful  On point, Watchful. I have one small disagreement. ObamaCare will probably not increase the number of people receiving medical care. In fact, it will likely decrease that number according to experts. Due to the high insurance rip-offs called co-pays and deductibles, many will have to forgo needed treatment in that they cannot afford it. Not to mention the two to three hundred percent increases in pharmaceuticals. Plus, there are people whose quantity of care as recommended by their primary care providers is not being covered by the insurance companies. The doctor says six days of hospitalization, the insurance company says "two." But that's what happens when "markets" are given control over things as fundamental as health care. It's a racket! First, they promote unhealthy lifestyles, pollute food with harmful additives and genetic modifications, and then, in a monopoly, they charge for fixing what they've caused. Medical providers are simply pawns (middle-persons) in the scam.

Your aging "baby boomers" observation, however, is spot on.

Don't want to get too far off-topic though.

It's not right the way Dr. Jennings is being treated. But it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Finally, if there's one thing some of us must stop, it's this. We support Black celebrities even when they push policies that harm us, talk down to us in front of racists, or commit rape. Yet, when our Black professionals such as Drs. (who we depend on to fix our health) and teachers (who we depend on to teach our children) report being abused because their race -- we blame them= "they ought to get their own hospital" ... "they shouldn't be teaching there anyway."

Never a finger pointed at racism, only its victims.

It's NUTS.

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11 


U could be right about the numbers decreasing, John ... but u're most certainly right about the quality of care diminishing. And u're also right about so-called Obamacare being nuthin' more than a racket designed to greatly increase the profits of the large insurance corporations. Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report stated that early on when Obama was first pushing to get that bill passed by congress, but of course, the overwhelming majority of blk ppl wholly supported him and often attacked anyone who criticized the proposed bill. Well, I guess they got what they deserved for being so blind and gullible. IMO, any plan that wasn't based on single payer was a farce to begin with, but the POTUS sure wasn't gonna fight to push a bill like THAT to be passed, that's for sure. 


And u're also right that the issue of racism can never be mentioned enough when it comes to issues of this nature.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@Watchful @Johnw11  And you're 100% right in everything you've said above.

Now that's the "Watchful" I'm talking about (LOL).

One thing I like is the robust discussion we're having on this topic. Seems like old times months ago.

Some of us are agreeing, others are disagreeing. Yet we are talking.

That's how we're supposed to do it.

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11 


Absolutely agree, John ... healthy, honest, and intelligent discussion and thought-sharing has always been the primary reason I've come here. It's fine if we happen to disagree from time to time as long as were respectful of one another, and for the most part, the majority of posters on this site conduct themselves in just that manner. 


BTW, I've always been the same Watchful ... even when u've probably thought I'd gone off the deep edge with some of my recent views and opinions. LOL  It's just that on certain issues I may see things from a different perspective than alotta other folks do. I guess I just try to be a bit more analytical and dissecting rather than being overly emotional and reactive when observing events and issues now. 

BarBecue1
BarBecue1

@Johnw11 @Watchful  It's not "Blame" Its statement of fact.We should have our own hospitals, our own educational system,
etc. Would we discriminate against our own? Hmm? Blacks in this country have approx. 1.1 Trillion dolllars in buying power flow through their hands annually. There is no good reason for any American black man or woman to lack ANYTHING.
Collectively, Black people are economically ignorant and their spending habits are just south of stupid. 
This young Dr. and his patients are suffering needlessly, if they but only realized the strength in numbers.
Until blacks stop being tribal and Balkanized, nothing's gonna change. There's no great mystery involved here
its like the dice either they do or they don't.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@Watchful @Johnw11  Actually, even when you go off on the "deep edge" it at least fits within a  theoretical construct.

I think you are a very knowledgeable brother. You are obviously well read. Readers are abstract thinkers. In other words, abstract thinkers learn to analyze things from all angles, they put things into full perspective. They don't stop at "what." They give "why," "where," "when," and "how," a cognitive work-out also before coming to a conclusion.

While I do enjoy intellectual discussions on this site (the only one I comment on), that doesn't mean that I go on and on in situations where it becomes clear that, well, to be straight up, people are not discussing in good faith, or lack the intellectual acumen to hold an informed discussion due to a lack of preparation.

That doesn't mean that their overall vision is not correct (because it is CORRECT), it simply means that they have not done the critical analysis necessary to inform others, or to bring their vision into fruition.

As you very well know, you have less patience than I do in that regard. And have often checked me for going on and on with folks who were either not serious or were unprepared.

My tendency to do that is based in the fact that I believe in telling people the truth, whether they want to hear it or not. I believe in the human growth process. 

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11 


LOL, John ... u do indeed possess MUCH more patience than do I, my good brutha and that's something I greatly admire about u. I'm tryin' to improve in that regard, albeit, with mixed results thus far. : )  And u're right, I'm very much an abstract thinker which occasionally causes some friction between me and some of my closest friends and associates. But that's ok, bcuz I think those who truly know me know that ultimately, I only seek the truth which is what I value above all else, with the exception of love.


At any rate, like u, I very much believe in the human growth process bcuz I'm an active participant in it. 

Johnw11
Johnw11

@BarBecue1 @Watchful  Obviously, people are playing games with the link. It worked the first two times I posted it. But not this time. That's why I always cite the source  so it can be searched directly : "The Decadent VEIL: Black Americans' Wealth Illusion," by Antonio Moore. It is powerful piece of research. Big ups to that brother.

Chris40
Chris40

I hate it when Black people use the word "minority."


Johnw11
Johnw11

@Chris40  I agree Chris. In a supposed "Democracy" based on the principle of majority rule, officially designating a group to "minority" status is to designate them out of the governing principles / structure of the society.


LizzyBriscoeWilson
LizzyBriscoeWilson

Well just in case some of you are not aware, there are African American doctors in their own practice with other doctors. They borrow money and rent space and later build their own buildings. They are all over the country, do some research before saying it isn't possible, and you know they may find a "friendly" group of doctors already in business to establish their practices. I live in the Midwest and have met 5 black doctors working in a practice here. I have also met black doctors in Kansas City and St.Louis working with other doctors who are supportive because it is a business, and when one does well, all do well. The South has do many opportunities for black doctors because the numbers of blacks is much greater than in the Midwest. I still believe that it us possible for a black doctor in South Carolina to start his own practice because he already had patients willing to follow him and I believe he can find a group of doctors to work with him because he has patients that will enlarge their business. He can certainly find a small business loan from the government or a bank. I still believe it is possible for black folks to prosper because I did and I know many others that have done the same. Education is the foundation of changing your economic status.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@LizzyBriscoeWilson  I'm not saying there are not Black M.D.s with their own practice. Of course there are!! In fact, chances are Dr. Jennings has his own practice. I know all about the medical field, having worked in it on the behavioral health side for over twenty years. Some of my closest friends are physicians.

I'm also NOT saying that you are not visionary in your proposition. Of course you are. Billie Holiday's "God bless the child that's got his own" is well taken.

What I'm saying is that vision and practicality are two different things. We must make statistical judgments, not anecdotal judgments. In addition to the fact that statistically there are not enough physicians to provide medical care for the African American population, as I've said before -- physicians prefer "hospital privileges" because not only do those privileges enhance their career prospects, improve their skills, facilitate better patient care, but in many cases are crucial to their licensure requirement.

What I find defeatist and self-destructive, is every time a case of racism is highlighted, the first thing some people say is "get your own." As if getting your own is as easy as "talk" or if getting your own will somehow effectively combat racism by avoiding a collision with it. Such behavior, while allowing for denial and rationalization, does little to advance a serious analysis of history or the contemporary plight of African Americans in relation to racism, which is unavoidable. In the words of the mid 20th Century Boxing champion, Joe Louis, "You can run, but you can't hide."

It is also not helpful for some Blacks -- whether they are aware of it, or not -- to SUPPORT racism by a quickness to "issue-flip." For example, it's not the racists at the hospital fault for mistreating Dr. Jennings -- it's his fault for not having his own hospital, or private practice (which he probably already has).

While some of this kind of harmful thinking emanates from being misinformed (not understanding systemic racism), much of it can be traced to a profound fear of confronting racism. Such people hide within their mental lives and pretend that all is well and fair, except for the short comings of Blacks.

For example, Dr. Jennings, despite his personal achievements is "flawed." After all, he could "certainly" get a small businesses loan if he wasn't too lazy to apply. But where is the RESEARCH supporting that assertion given what the Obama administration has done to destroy so-called "minority" small business loans? And education is the "foundation" of changing one's economic status, so the argument goes.

While no one values education more than I do (which is why I have one), I'm educated enough to know that that's simply not true. Many of the richest people in the world are "dropouts," and the unemployment and wealth disparity between Blacks and whites is equally distributed among the degreed and non-degreed. Blacks with college degrees are doubly unemployed in relation to degreed whites, just as unemployment in the general Black population is double that of whites in the general population.

My point is, I support Dr. Jennings in his fight against racism. Just like we should become more aware of what's going on in these medical schools where competent Black students are being railroaded out (We even had a Black M.D. post here once and disclosed the racist hell she went through in medical school). Most graduate from HBCU medical schools, but even those institutions are being destroyed by the same President many Blacks have developed denial, irrational rationalization, and other perceptual defenses in order to protect.

I hope you didn't mind my pointing those things.



Rick Manigault
Rick Manigault

@LizzyBriscoeWilson I had a black orthodontist when I was a young teen and Imhotep was the first Doctor. If we had as many doctor's as we do lawyers we would be golden.

LizzyBriscoeWilson
LizzyBriscoeWilson

He needs to start his own practice or find a place that will support his practice. When he builds his building, people will come to his place

Johnw11
Johnw11

@LizzyBriscoeWilson  That's true. But most physicians prefer being connected to a hospital for a number of reasons related to their practice.

We must stop accepting racism by rationalizing. This physician has every right to "hospital privileges." He can do far more to help his patients in a hospital than an office setting. For example, what happens when his patients are hospitalized? Who will treat them under those circumstances if he doesn't have hospital affiliation and privileges.  

What this story should teach us, once again, is that no Blacks are immune to racist treatment. Whether it's Lil'Ray on the block, Miss Angie at the welfare office, or Dr. Jennings, M.D. And that racism against Blacks is not caused by their "lack of personal responsibility" as Black right-wingers like Bill Cosby, Jesse Lee Peterson, President Obama, et al. have claimed.

HANNIBAL the VICTOR
HANNIBAL the VICTOR

@LizzyBriscoeWilson thats a good idea. I have an even better one. How about blacks get some money together  and fund some private hospitals so we dont have this problem. It all comes down to money ,and how blacks dont like to invest in their own EMPOWERMENT. Asking the very people who are mistreating you to "play nice" is absolutely INSANE. Power is not going to be given to us , it must be TAKEN.

Rick Manigault
Rick Manigault

@Johnw11 Mentioning Bill Cosby with Jesse Lee Peterson is a hate crime. Obama has a Tuesday neutralization list  list so its not even the same conversation.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@HANNIBAL the VICTOR @LizzyBriscoeWilson  So here you go again pushing abstract ideas without abstract reasoning.

How would you carry out your proposal logistically? Where are Blacks going to get the money from even if you could organize such an endeavor? How would you convince those Blacks with means to join your efforts, when they mostly operate on a class rather than racial analysis? And, even if you could convince 100% of them, you still wouldn't have enough financial resources to build enough hospitals to service 5% of U.S. Blacks. And what about physicians to staff the hospitals, if only 4% of physicians are Black? How would your "money" (which you don't have) change that situation? How would it prevent Blacks from being driven out of medical school due to racism? 

Do some research on the ACTUAL economic condition and racial oppression of Blacks. This is not a "YouTube" situation, this is a situation requiring serious analysis: hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hours of serious study.

Historically, Blacks once owned several hospitals (but never enough to treat even 1% of the U.S. Black population). What happened to the major businesses Blacks once owned (but never enough to service 5% of the U.S.Black population)? How would your proposal correct this historical situation?  

Please provide three organizing stratagems for effecting your exhortations (1) economic, acquiring the financial means; (2) cultural, getting people to agree, and (3) political, getting policies to support the efforts (oh, I forgot-- you're going to "buy" that. But with what? 

Ideas are one thing, effective implementation is another thing altogether in the REAL world.

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11 


VERY well said, John ... I wish I coulda 'liked' this comment a thousand times.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@CarolJCarpenter @Johnw11 @LizzyBriscoeWilson  Absolutely. That's my point. And chances are he has a private practice.

Glad you know something about the field.

I hope you agree that he should be able to practice at the hospital without experiencing racial hatred.

CarolJCarpenter
CarolJCarpenter

@Johnw11 @LizzyBriscoeWilson  Oh absolutely he should be able to without racial discrimination. I've worked in our local hospital in insurance billing for 17 years and now have been a medical transcriptionist for 20+ years, in doctors' offices and now working from home, so I'm aware of what goes on in health care. Talk about politics! ACK!  :o)

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11 


U're more than welcome, my friend.  I just wish u had received an honest reply ... it's not like u were being snarky or anything. U just asked what I felt were legitimate questions that deserved an honest response, but instead u got nuthin'. Can't say I'm surprised tho. 

Rick Manigault
Rick Manigault

Please share with us your potion for eliminating racial hatred. Are you an adult or even an American? You speak of racism constantly but think a black doctor can can hold the top position in a hospital and not be hated by the whites there. Control over the minds of others is the aim of a fool.

HANNIBAL the VICTOR
HANNIBAL the VICTOR

@Johnw11 Maybe you are right and im wrong. In your opinion what should blacks do to remedy this oppression? You have made it loud  and clear what we CANT do. Tell us what we CAN  do with the estimated 1.5 trillion dollars we have.

CarolJCarpenter
CarolJCarpenter

@Johnw11 @LizzyBriscoeWilson He can still have hospital affiliation and admitting/treating privileges. We have numerous doctors here (NC) who have private practices as well as hospital privileges and do rounds at the hospital every day. One does not preclude the other.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@HANNIBAL the VICTOR @Johnw11  It's clear. I've said it a thousand times -- stand up for what Garvey called "our portion" of the $80 trillion of American household wealth. The $1.5 trillion (actually $1.4 trillion or less) of which you speak is only 1.75% of the U.S. economy. Blacks are 12%-14% of the U.S. population. $1.5 (4) trillion seem like a lot, except we're talking about 41-44, or so. million people. And almost all of that is concentrated among a small group of Black elites, most of whom wouldn't give the rest of us the time of day, let alone unite to build anything for the collective good. And even if they wanted to, they know that what they have would be taken away from them in an instance. Like it or not, that's the reality.

It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of learning and growing together.

I suspect your difficulty arose when you thought about those questions I asked. I did not pose them to belittle you, but to cause you to think.

Your vision is most correct, but a strategy resulting from a 'root-cause analysis" is required to achieve its realization. And that's true for everyone's vision, yours and mine included. We can not "buy" anything, until we get something to buy something with.

Also, if you don't mind my suggesting it, see if you can learn to respect the elders more. Think about the good things you've learned from them and the burdens they had to bear. Remember, you didn't just pop-up from nowhere, You exist because they existed. If you learn to do that, you'll be just find.

I have full faith in you. As I've said before, you have leadership qualities, but you can't lead people for good, unless you love them.

HANNIBAL the VICTOR
HANNIBAL the VICTOR

@Johnw11 "Stand up for our portion of household wealth " sounds rather vague. Can you be more specific ? And could you define WEALTH  for me please?

Johnw11
Johnw11

@HANNIBAL the VICTOR @Johnw11  Actually, my time is limited and I have very little of it for game playing.

Go to the dictionary and look up the definition of "wealth."

And, after you've done that, READ the references I've provided and accept the reality of African Americans' economic condition (you will also find the definition of wealth in all of those articles).

And, if you 're confused by the statement "stand up for our portion of household wealth," then that's fair, so I'll rephrase it: Blacks are 12%-14% of the U.S. population, but have only 1.75% of U.S. wealth. That means that Blacks are deprived by 85% to 90% of their share ("portion") of the U.S. economy.

TO CORRECT THIS SITUATION, BLACKS MUST DEMAND -- AS A COLLECTIVE -- THEIR RIGHTFUL SHARE OF THE COUNTRY'S WEALTH.

I'll take it a step further, in order for such a MOVEMENT to develop, UNINFORMED and hustling Blacks (who take advantage of some Blacks' ignorance and "CONCRETE" thinking) must stop running interference in the interest of racism by falsely claiming that Blacks are wealthy and already have their share.

BarBecue1
BarBecue1

@Johnw11


'TO CORRECT THIS SITUATION, BLACKS MUST DEMAND -- AS A COLLECTIVE -- THEIR RIGHTFUL SHARE OF THE COUNTRY'S WEALTH. '  And then you woke up, Right?  Just who are Blacks supposed to make their demands to? Even if Blacks had access to 85 to 90% as their share of the US economy (anemic as it is) what makes you think they have the economic sense to know what to do with it. The main reason why Blacks aren't "wealthy" (aside from the lingering effects of racism) is because even to this day, collectively they are economically ignorant and have spending habits that in a word are garbage.. Political power is intrinsically tied to economic strength (I know you got that memo). Any "movement" will only be inclusive of a small segment of forward thinking individuals, the rest of the black population will lag behind as they've been programmed to do. Smell the coffee, its bitter and strong, but it'll wake your sleeping azz up.
 

HANNIBAL the VICTOR
HANNIBAL the VICTOR

@BarBecue1  You are a breath of fresh air! I wish you would post more on this site , your voice is definitely needed.

Watchful
Watchful

@Johnw11


Yes, John ... u're absolutely on point and here's someone for whom I have the highest regard who pretty much  advocates the exact same position as urs on us demanding our rightful share of wealth, not only in this country, but worldwide. Check out the video when u get a chance.


But again, as I've said in the past ... some get it and some don't. Nevertheless, please do continue pushin' ur point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKuv1DDrdk

Johnw11
Johnw11

@Watchful The powers that be are blocking my detailed posts. I've written two and neither was published.

They want to let me know (what I already know) that nothing gets through unless they want it to. I don't believe it's the site.

At any rate, I posted data any other analyses proving that Blacks have little spending power and virtually no wealth. I used as references (1) "The Myth Of Black Spending Power," by Dr. Jared Ball, (2) "The Decadent Veil: Black America's Wealth Illusion," by Antonio Moore.

I did not post a reference of Dr. Frances Cress Welsing addressing Black self-hate as expressed in Barbecue1's comment.

I did post references proving that the claim that Blacks don't have financial literacy is a lie. I wonder if Barbecue1 is a white troll.

If you get this post, please respond and let me know.

HANNIBAL the VICTOR
HANNIBAL the VICTOR

@Johnw11 When white folks tell you they are not going to give you anything , what are you going to do then? Blacks need to create there own wealth. There is no finite amount of wealth , you can create it. Getting justice from white people  requires their cooperation. How long are you going to wait for their cooperation?  You want reparations? Get control of the politicians first by using your money to influence them into doing it. Dr Anderson speaks on that in his books as well.

Johnw11
Johnw11

@HANNIBAL the VICTOR @Johnw11  While I know it is a waste of time, if the powers that be allow this response to get through, it will be my last reply to the kind of foolishness you're talking. Actually, your ideas have other serious implications which I will not get into too deeply.

Suffice it to say that you are too far behind to engage in a discussion about Black economics and empowerment. Your comments about "waiting" for someone to "cooperate" are disturbingly devoid of a sense of history in general and African / African American history in particular.

There is no "finite" amount of wealth, you say, one can create it. But create it from what? I would suggest that you study economics and learn about "means of production."

The only time one can "create" wealth from nothing is when one controls the standards of wealth "valuation" and the mechanisms of appropriation. For example, up to the early 1970s, the value of the dollar was based on gold. Nixon ended that "Bretton Woods" system and now Wall-Street creates wealth out of thin air. But what "system" do you control that will allow you do that? Maybe you plan on going to prison by counterfeiting. 

I know you made the statement to "rationalize" the fact that, contrary to your previous illusions, the fact is Blacks currently as a group have no wealth. At least I hope you read the references I provided and learned that fact. If you did read the references and was thereby exposed to the truth, and still hold onto misperceptions in that regard, then it becomes no longer an "illusion" but a "delusion."

Your claim of "buying politicians" borders on delusional grandiosity. In fact, that's what it is. How are you going to outbid Wall-Street in that regard with food stamps? That's what I'd like to know.

In reference to your mentioning Dr. Anderson, I'd suggest that you read the book again. His program is based on two principles (1) economic acquisition -- Blacks obtaining the economics due them, and (2) economic cooperation-- Blacks cooperating economically as a group.

The stuff you are talking is in part, or in whole, totally unrelated to what Dr. Anderson is talking about.

For example, in response to stories about Black "business men" being lynched, your solution to stop the lynching of Blacks is to have more Black businessmen.

But how can that be the solution when Black businessmen have historically been, in many instances, the first to be lynched.

Take care.


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@Johnw11 


Well, John ... looks like u've finally run outta patience, too. : )

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@Watchful @Johnw11  Yes, I have, in more ways than one.

Just wrote you a detailed response explaining the real reason why I reply to these people in the first place. It's not for them (I recognize a hopeless mind-set right away), but for others who might be trying to sort things out.

Got a "pending" result.

I don't believe it's the site trying to keep people ignorant. Unless there's a plant working there, which is highly likely.

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Believe me I know, John ... and I also know that u're efforts r not in vain, my brutha. I have no doubt that there r at least a few others like myself, who appreciate ur posts and the knowledge and insight u've shared here.


BTW ... LOL @ ur 'hopeless mindset' comment. I found that statement  both humorous, while at the same the same time, rather disappointing.


If u haven't already, u may wanna contact the site anyway and they might be able to help pinpoint the source of ur troubles when attempting to post a comment.

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@Watchful @Johnw11  I've thought about doing that. I tried contacting once, don't know if I did it right, since I got no response.

Meanwhile, it takes a lot of my limited time to review RESEARCH notes and then type posts. I do it all for the purpose that perhaps someone, trying to sort things out, will go and search further for the truth: since there is so much misinformation and sheer nonsense being promoted by so-called "Black" media.

I am not a quitter as those who are blocking my posts should have figured out by now -- since I keep coming back.

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I would hate to see u ever leave, my brutha ... that would surely leave a huge void in terms of being one of the best 'teachers' we have on this site.


And, I think u should definitely contact the manager(s) of this site and see if they might be able to help u resolve ur posting problems. I used to get those 'pending' notices, too, but haven't for some time now.

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@BarBecue1 @Johnw11  The only thing you said that makes any sense is "political power is intrinsically tied to economic strength." Then you go on to prove that you don't understand the one thing you said that did make sense, by asking an asinine question: "Just who are Blacks supposed to make their demands to?" 

Moreover, your statement that even if Blacks had access to "85 to 90%" of their share of the economy they would be "too stupid" to know what to do with it is disturbing in multiple ways.

Two of the most salient ones are (1) I never said Blacks should have access to "85 to 90%" of the economy. I said, using data from experts (which you are obviously not one), that Blacks are DEPRIVED of 85 to 90% of their share of the economy. Blacks should have access to 12% --14% of the economy which equals their share of the population, instead of the current 1.75% which you are obviously willing to settle for. (2) Your claim of Blacks being "stupid," is more a mirror reflection of self, than an objective observation of Blacks as a group. Studies show that Blacks spending, and saving habits, are no different from anyone else's (obviously, you are not familiar with the literature). The problem is Blacks are not allowed economic parity, which you would prefer to deny, and declare that Blacks already have parity ($1.1 trillion is not parity as you claim), but are just "stupid." You sound like a an extreme racist with that nonsense.

If Blacks are so financially "stupid" as you claim (if you are Black) then how come your folks were able to raise and feed you while having a little of nothing?

Finally, your point about the percentage of people who participate in movements is as useless as every thing else you said, given that LEGITIMATE movements are for the good of the whole, regardless the percentage of group participants.

Take care.