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March 26, 2014

White on White Crime is on the Rise, So Where’s the Outrage?

White on White Crime is on the Rise, So Where’s the Outrage?


by Faith Walker

Can anyone shed light on the media’s fixation with so-called “Black on Black” hom!cide? You wouldn’t know it by listening to the mainstream media, but Black on Black hom¡cide has actually dropped from a high of 94% in the 1990s to 91.3% in 2012. This may not seem significant, until you realize that White on White hom!cide has risen during the same period.

In addition, if you listen to the likes of Fox News, Blacks are not only murder¡ng each other, but they are k¡lling off the White race in their spare time. However, statistics clearly show that while Blacks may be murdering each other,  Whites are engaged in the same behavior.

James S. Robbins’ response to the Zimmerman trial uses FBI data to prove this fact. In his article, “White on Black Murder: Who Really is Killing Whom?” he states the following: According to the most recent (2011) FBI statistics, of the 2,695 murders in which the victim was black, 91% were committed by people of the same race. Odds are if the victim was wearing a hoodie, the perp was too. The same pattern of intra-racial v¡olence holds for whites. 83 percent of white mµrders in 2011 were within-race killings, and only 14% were black on white. These data tell us that murder in America is decidedly not a matter of racial hatred.”

This misrepresentation about crime only breeds more unfounded fear of Black America. Whites are more likely to respond with fear to Blacks and respond with force, even when they are in no immediate danger themselves. The recent shootings of Jonathan Ferrell and Renisha McBride show the danger of being Black while seeking help. In both cases, they were k¡lled by frightened Whites.

There are intellectuals who are attempting to wake up White America such as Tim Wise, who points out to his fellow White Americans that they are more in danger of being k¡lled by another White person than a Black Person. He delves specifically into this issue with his article “Nazis Can’t do Math Reflections of Racism Crime and the Illiteracy of Right Wing Statistical Analysis”.

In 2010, for instance, whites killed whites 3,252 times: 4.6 times more than the number of whites k¡lled by blacks. Why no generalized fear of white people then? Why assume that black-on-white murder (which occurs about one-fifth as often) somehow portends some larger social trend, while white-on-white mµrder is merely random, individual, and signifies nothing more important, socially, at all? Why? Because racists are racists, that’s why.

Wise’s statements are greeted by disbelief from his counterparts. Instead of embracing the irrefutable truth, they try and disprove facts. They use “smoke and mirror math” to disprove his statements. When their math is questioned… they claim that Wise simply hates his own race. Why else, they question, would he post such things? They will not accept the truth of his statements which is htat Whites are k¡lling Whites in record numbers.

At one point in 2012, White on White Homicide was recorded at 88%, Black on Black remained steady at 91%. Each of these percentages is unacceptable. It should be a call to action…but it’s not.

Black people must be aware that they are no better or worse than their White counterparts. As long as the perception is that it’s a Black on Black problem the alarm isn’t being raised. As long as White America feels safe in the knowledge, that it’s not their problem the stats will continue to climb, and the death toll rise. Only when White America realizes that it too has a problem, will it become an American problem…until then Whites, Blacks and Browns will continue on this race destructive path.

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25 thoughts on “White on White Crime is on the Rise, So Where’s the Outrage?

  1. BryanE says:

    “At one point in 2012, White on White Homicide was recorded at 88%, Black on Black remained steady at 91%. Each of these percentages is unacceptable. It should be a call to action…but it’s not.”

    The only way the 88% White on White Homicides and 91% Black on Black Homicides will go down PERCENTAGE-wise is if inter-racial homicide PERCENTAGES go up. The PERCENTAGES will always add up to equal 100%. That is what a PERCENTAGE is.

    It’s not the PERCENTAGE of homicides that is too high, it is the NUMBER of homicides that is too high. It is the NUMBER of homicides that need to be reduced.

    Overall homicide rates are going down. From 1999 to 2000, In 1999 the rates were 7.72(black on black) and 1.31(white on white) deaths per 100,000. In 2011 the rates were 6.29(black on black) and 1.13(white on white) deaths per 100,000.

    Yes the PERCENTAGE may have gone up, but PERCENTAGES will always add up to 100%. The NUMBERS are going down, the RATES are going down.

  2. FaithWalker1 says:

    BryanE I understand your premise. However if the Percentage goes down intra-racially the homicides drop. This can happen without the number of inter-racial murders climbing. For example using as you correctly state, 100% will always be 100%. However, you are incorrect when you state that the number of murders by the other race would have to climb.
    So, let’s say that there were 2000 Blacks murdered. Of that number, 90% or 1800 were black on black. 200 are White on Black. If the same 200 were murdered by Whites, Yet the percentage of murders  dropped in Black on Black. Instead of 90% of the Black on Black crimes being fatal. Let’s say 60% of those survived. The amount of Black on Black deaths is now 800. For a total of 1000. Not 2000
    There are LESS deaths. LESS HOMICIDES. Although the percentage of White on Black Homicide would then be 20% there is a SMALLER amount of HOMICIDES.
    SO AS the percentage drops SO will the number of homicides.

  3. MsMarietteHill says:

    Hey, “They” are the ones the taught us how to lie, cheat and steal back things that were taken from us,,,

  4. BryanE says:

    FaithWalker1 BryanE  Wrong, Percentage can be independent of number. if we have 160 intraracial murders and 40 interracial murders one year and 80 intraracial murders and 20 interracial murders the next, the numbers dropped but the percentage stayed the same. Conversely, we could have 320 intraracial and 80 interracial and the percentage stay the same.

    Your exampled is flawed because you only adjusted one side of the equation. If 60% survived, the black on black would go from 1800 to 720 (not 800) and white on black would dropped from 200 to 80. The percentage stays the same at 90% and 10%.

    If you applied your example the opposite way, the number of murders still goes does. 1800 to 80 and the percentages change to 95.7% and 4.3%.

    The percentages can also change even when the numbers stay the same overall. If the 1800 and 200 change to 1600 and 400, the percentages have changed to 80% and 20%. Or if the numbers change to 1900 and 100, the percentages change to 95% and 5%. 

    Percentage is great to tell us if trends are going up or down as a part of the whole. What the percentages tell us is that WHEN a murder is committed, blacks are more likely to kill blacks and white are more likely to kill whites today in comparison to all murders then in previous years. But it can’t tell us if the number of murders are up or down by itself. That is what the numbers and the rates are for. The number of murders can go up or down because the population went up or down and the rate and the percentage can stay the same. 

    The fact is that the percentage will ALWAYS add up to 100%. But the number will not stay the same. 2000 and 1000 are not equal to each other but the percentages of the 2000 and 1000 are both still 100% and 100% irregardless of how they break down.

    Trying to use percentage to say that white-on-white crime is on the rise just because the percentage is up is like saying Ford sold more cars because its marker share grew. Ford could have sold 600,000 out 6,000,000 total one year for a market share of 10%. The next year Ford could have sold 550,000 cars out of 5,000,000 total for a 11% market share. They sold 50,000 fewer cars and yet their market share grew a percentage point.

  5. FaithWalker1 says:

    BryanE FaithWalker1 Wrong!. Lets say Black on Black homicide dropped to 0% are you seriously saying that the number of Blacks killed wouldn’t change? You are continually proving my point, by attempting to disprove it. Your theory would be correct if the number of homicides was permanent instead of fluid. 
    For example, there is no law that states that 34,000 blacks must die each year. If that was so, then the number of homicides would stay the same even if the Black on Black rate went down.  
    You are doing exactly as Tim Wise stated, trying to use Karl Rove’s “GOP math” as Megan Fox so correctly stated.

  6. BryanE says:

    FaithWalker1 BryanE  If black on black homicides dropped to 0%, most likely the number of blacks killed would dropped. Although it is not guaranteed to drop.

    The point I am trying to make is that using the fact that the percentage of white that were killed by whites as an indicator that white on white crime is on the rise is a logical fallacy. The numbers of white killing whites does not back the argument of white on white crime in on the rise. The rates (which is the most appropriate statistic to use) of white killing whites does not back the argument of white on white crime in on the rise.

    What the percentage tells us that is that out of the group of whites killed, the percentage that were killed by whites went up. The percentage by itself does not tell us that the number went up or down. There is no law or rule that says that a certain number of deaths have to occur each year, but there is a law/rule that states when there is one or more, the percentages will always add to 100%. If there was only ONE black murdered this year and if the murderer was white, then the percentage of blacks murdered by whites is 100%.

    It’s not GOP math, it is just math. From wikipedia: In, a percentage is a number or expressed as a of 100.

  7. BryanE says:

    FaithWalker1 BryanE  If you read the portion where I used Ford as an example, I showed where the percentage can go up while the overall numbers go down. So NOPE, my theory would not be correct if the number of homicides was permanent instead of fluid.

  8. smittyboy7 says:

    MsMarietteHill  You said a mouth full there my beautiful sister!

  9. smittyboy7 says:

    The white race is by far the most brutal criminals in world history after all that’s how they stole America.

  10. OneperspectiveOpinion says:

    Racist love to point to Black on Black murder rates to justify police killing unarmed Black citizens. Racist don’t realize that their family member maybe the next victim of a police officer abusing authority and using excessive force. This not only about race but it’s also about income inequality and an inability to defend against a system designed to protect an officer and award a clean kill every time.

  11. Sydney1000 says:

    Homicides is the second cause of death for young black males.
    It’s the fourth cause of death for white males.
    That may be the key difference.

  12. Mohome says:

    The thing that these “social scientist” aren’t taking into considerations are white vs black numbers and percentage to population. Why? Because it is politically expedient to leave out that little tidbit. Blacks are significantly more likely to commit violent crimes against blacks and whites considering their percentage to overall population. Christ it isn’t rocket science. Blacks make up approximately 15 percent of the population and commit significantly more violent crimes than any group.

  13. Mohome says:

    Just look at BryanE’s post. it isn’t racism. just facts

  14. The Acknickulous One says:

    The problem with this and any discussion around crimes stats is that it stops at ethnicity which gives the impression that ethnicity is a causal factor when it comes to criminal acts which is what racists thrive on and is what gets people excited. None of these stats explain why crimes are committed because race first and foremost is a social construct, it isn’t rooted in biology or genetics at all. If it were then all blood banks would have donations divided by ethnicity and type. The truth is there are multiple factors that contributes to criminal activity but the color of a person’s skin does not cause them to commit a crime anymore than skin color dissuades someone from breaking the law. Root cause analysis of why crimes occur cannot stop with just demographic information.

  15. CarolParks says:

    @The Acknickulous One,
    Wow! A very intelligent post! The only thing I might disagree with, is your statement, ” the color of a person’s skin does not cause them to commit a crime”.
    The man that was tied to the back of a truck in Texas, to his death & cases like that show it definitely had to do with the color of his skin. Just like the young, white family who made a mistake & took the wrong turn & ended up in a Gang ( Black) neighborhood, & were all shot to death. Unfortunately, it still has some relevance.
    But, I agree about “race”, there is only one, human. The Anthropoligist Society declared that years ago.

  16. The Acknickulous One says:

    Thanks Carol. By that statement I was referring to the crim

  17. Johnw11 says:

    GREAT article!!!!
    My only wish is those choosing to run on TV and pop-off at the mouth such as Michael Eric Dyson would do this kind of research before doing so.
    A friend directed me yesterday to an online replay of a TV discussion (11/23/14) Dyson had with the spent-racist, and former NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani. The spent-racist argued fatuously that “white police are in the Black community to keep Blacks from killing each other.” (Actually, white police are in the Black community the same as Black police, to maintain their own employment.)
    It was painful to see Dyson, a supposed scholar, unable to respond to such nonsense, other than to say: “But, when Blacks kill each other, they go to jail.”
    There was no correcting the spent-racist with empirical facts as those presented in this excellent article.
    Moreover, it must always be kept in mind that the driving force behind violent community based crime is POVERTY. In a recent community forum, I debated a “Black conservative,” who argued that “Black on Black violence is destroying the Black community.”
    I countered that “so-called Black-on-Black violence is not ‘destroying’ the Black community.” The problem is largely confined to POVERTY-STRICKEN Black neighborhoods. That middleclass Black and white neighborhoods do just fine.
    To support my contention, I cited research by social scientists Lauren Krivo and Ruth Peterson. In a study focusing on “Extremely Disadvantaged Neighborhoods and Violent Crime,” the authors found that “structural conditions of disadvantage affect black and white communities in the same manner.” (Social Forces, 1996) Also see their, “Poverty, not Race Tied to High Crime Rates in Urban Communities,” (Ohio State University, 2013).
    For example, the researchers found that “extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods had violent crime rates that were 16.3 per 1,000 residents higher than rates in low disadvantaged neighborhoods.”  Furthermore, “the violent crime rate in highly disadvantaged Black areas was 22 per 1,000 residents, not much different from the 20 per 1,000 rate in similar white communities.” The different (22 vs. 20) was accounted for by a greater concentration of poverty in the Black neighborhoods than the white ones studied.
    Social scientists Robert Defina and Lance Hannon (Dept. of Sociology; Villanova University) conducted a longitudinal study (1990-2000) that disproved the racist claim of some that an end to poverty would decrease violent crime among whites, but not Blacks. (“Violent Crime In African American And White Neighborhoods: Is Poverty’s Detrimental Effect Race-Specific.”
    The scientific evidence is abundant that what is being speciously mislabeled for political-ideological purposes as “Black-on-Black violence” is, at the end of the day, nothing more than white-on-Black crime; given that it results from poverty–which is a result of white controlled socioeconomic public policies.
    It is time that those seeking to address the issue tell the truth. By telling the truth, those propagandists seeking to use this problem as fodder to smear Blacks, and, or, to chasten Blacks to be silent about the blatant murder of Blacks by racist whites (“how come you all are not discussing Blacks killing Blacks?”), will have to come up with another psychopathic con game to obfuscate reality.
    Will someone please tell Blacks (like Dyson, Sharpton, et al.) to stop running on TV trying to address matters that they appear intellectually unprepared to discuss.
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE in the American social context. Such violence is for the most part caused by poverty. Poverty is caused by socioeconomic public policies. Public policy is in the main controlled by whites.

  18. Johnw11 says:

    Mohome  Actually, the only thing social-behavioral scientists have not figured out yet is how to effectively treat the psychopathic racial personality.
    Such a personality (as evidenced by your comment) will ‘rationalize,” “project,” and otherwise “deny” any fact that does not “confirm” to its egocentric beliefs.
    When researchers published recent studies showing that “conservatives” (racists) were the most uniformed sector of American society, what they were really describing is the psychopathic mind that defenses itself against “accepting” facts, rather than the inability to “perceive” facts.

  19. CarolParks says:

    The Acknickulous One,
    Absolutely, I agree.
    And some people forget, the most costliest crimes in America are committed by Wall Street, & White Collar Crime.

  20. AwakenTheNextlevel says:

    Mohome And have significantly harder times trying to find employment that pays a living wage. When you get rid of the we are better than you and the my god is bigger than you god, maybe, just maybe we can actually get somewhere.

    Give a black man a good paying job and see his world change or be quite.

  21. AwakenTheNextlevel says:

    Sydney1000 Maybe, just maybe you give those young black men jobs. Not sure why you all seem to overlook the obvious. Blacks have had to remove their demographics on applications to even get a call for a job. Who are you kidding It is OK, we have learning to build our own businesses and will in the very near future be able to supply our own jobs and take that trillion dollars back into our own communities.

  22. CarolParks says:

    Exactly! And when you consider the fact that the minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living, people cannot make ends meet, even when they have a job.
    50 years ago, people had more buying power. Today, a lot of people go to these ” Huge Holiday Sales”, not to buy presents, but to buy necessary items that they cannot afford.

  23. CarolParks says:

    @AwakenTheNextlevel, @Sydney1000,
    Another excellent point. Education, & Jobs, are the obvious answers. Most crime stems from poverty, & hopelessness. Most of the Black on Black killings, are from Gang warfare.
    The Gangs have become a huge alternative, to kids having to live destitute, & with broken families, & parent or parents on drugs. They turn to the Gangs for a “family”, protection, & money. It’s a vicious cycle.

  24. unfpl2015 says:

    BlackGenius Sydney1000 Maybe….maybe not.  There are times where cultural differences do play into the reality you know.  Money and jobs are not necessarily the answer.  Not that it relates to violence BUT abortion statistics have shown that even adjusting for income, black women are 5 times as more likely to have an abortion than white women.  Hispanics are twice as likely.  Yes…even adjusted for income.  So it’s just some “give them a job dammit”.  Cultural (not race) plays a part and until we’re actually ready to talk about cultural values present in different races groups then there’s not going to be a change.  You can’t be afraid to address real issues without worrying about offending a particular race for one reason or another.  I don’t believe ANY race is predisposed to any behavior to a greater or lesser extent than any other race HOWEVER, I do believe that the root causes are cultural values rather than economic values but I am willing to say that cultural values can be influenced by economic realities…however, I don’t think it’s the only answer.  Believing that just throwing money at someone will change cultural values and behavior is silly to suggest.

  25. alexamerling43 says:

    Mohome The Nazis were white too, you going to excuse what they did? Get off your racial high horse.

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