This One Fact About Government Benefits Makes White People Look Lazy

This One Fact About Government Benefits Makes White People Look Lazy
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In so far as divisive political issues go, welfare is the gift that just keeps on giving. Mainly, that’s because some on the right have done a masterful job of convincing ordinary white people that slothful African-Americans and Latinos are eating at a troth filled with goodies amassed by hard working “salt of the earth” white people.

During the 2012 campaign for president, candidate Rick Santorum said “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them other people’s money.” Newt Gingrich piled on adding, “I will tell black people to demand paychecks instead of food stamps.”  And, of course, President Obama, the first black president, was roundly mocked as the first food stamp president, as the photoshopped image above illustrates.

The is what we call demagoguery, but the only problem is that the facts don’t bear out this rhetoric. There is one fact that blows this whole “Welfare Queen” theory out of the water:

1) According to the New York Times blacks comprise 22 percent of the poor, but blacks only take in 14 percent of government benefits. Conversely,  whites make up 42 percent of the poor , but take in a disproportionate 69 percent of government benefits.

Here are a few other facts you should consider as well:

2) Although minorities are disproportionately poorer than their white counterparts, poor people only received 36 percent of benefits in 2007, down from 54 percent in 1979.

3) Wealthy people, who are disproportionately white, receive a higher share of corporate welfare and other tax benefits:

wealthy welfare

Yet, even with this flow of capital going to the wealthy, including recent revelations that the rich have taken the overwhelming share of recovery dollars post- recession, there are still no jobs. What are the Idle Rich up to anyway?

4). The Republican Party is overwhelmingly white, and according to Bloomberg, Republican heavy counties ate up most of the food stamp growth:

Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg.

This is not to say that white people are lazy. That would pathologize whites in much the same way that blacks have been pathologized for decades, if not centuries. The point is that data always cuts both ways. The only reason a large swath of whites believe that blacks are slackers with no will to work is because both the media and public have been complicit in allowing biased data  to drive the conversation. We should end that.

 

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odifasa126476
odifasa126476

Your Stats are completely broken. You are not including the fact that whites out number blacks by a larger margin. You are pulling from two different population sizes and trying to compare data. Nice try.

PernellParham
PernellParham

For all that BLACK people are supposed to be taking, what about all that was taken from us. Nothing is said about the trillions of dollars made because of slavery. Just recently a genocide has been talked about...What about the mandated slavery that is still in existence. If we were allowed the same rights and freedoms of others, do you think we would need assistance?

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

"For all that BLACK people are supposed to be taking, what about all that was taken from us. Nothing is said about the trillions of dollars made because of slavery. "

Oh. Your share of uncompensated labor performed up until 1863 comes to how much, specifically?

"Just recently a genocide has been talked about..."

A genocide has been "talked about, " has it? Of who, by whom? What genocide are you referring to, because most I'm aware of take place in Third World shit holes like Africa and the Middle East. Or maybe this "genocide" is strictly TALKED about rather than actually existing.

"What about the mandated slavery that is still in existence. "

That would be in Africa, dude. By blacks, enslaving other blacks. I really don't think that will help your argument!

"If we were allowed the same rights and freedoms of others, do you think we would need assistance?"

I see. And explain to us what "rights" you are currently denied. Take your time, we'll wait.

AmadeusClark
AmadeusClark

@PernellParham You are correct, but racial hatred towards Blacks from whites happened long before Blacks got on welfare.. 


queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 

Wrong again.

{ A genocide has been "talked about, " has it? Of who, by whom? What genocide are you referring to, because most I'm aware of take place in Third World shit holes like Africa and the Middle East. Or maybe this "genocide" is strictly TALKED about rather than actually existing.}


I guess Bosnia is not considered a holocaust or a form of genocide in your book.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 

Sudan

Syria

Nigeria

Libya

Mexico

100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide

American slavery.

Did you know that blacks were part of the 16 million that died in the concentration camps in Europe during WWII?  Only the Jews and the Jehovah's Witnesses got reparations for their share of the holocaust?  In Germany, blacks were the original guinea pigs for Zyklon B years before it was used on the Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, etc.


Then there's the holocaust against the Native Americans you have to consider.  What you fail to understand is that Amerikkkan slavery was the worst form of slavery practiced in the history of mankind.

I actually met with the families of the 43 students assassinated in Mexico a couple of weeks ago.


Re-read the 14th amendment of the constitution, there is a clause that does not end slavery. 


Blacks are still considered 3/5 human.  Blacks are paid 3/5 less than their white counterparts.  Blacks are still being hassled for voting.  Scams are being conducted to prevent "voter" fraud in the black and latino communities. But nothing was done to Ann Coulter when she was accused of voter fraud.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 

Fair housing

Equal Employment

Affirmative action never benefited blacks.  White women benefited from Affirmative Actions more than blacks and other races.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 We've had this conversation about affirmative action before, Queen.  I don't understand what your confusion is on it.  When you state that white women "benefit more" from affirmative action than blacks and others, that is a RELATIVE, not an absolute statement.  I'm not even asking what your measure is in asserting that it's accurate, that's not the point.  But if white women do, in fact, benefit MORE from affirmative action on a relative basis, that does NOT mean that you don't benefit on an absolute basis.  


Let's say we're both standing on the street, and someone claiming to be with the govt states we have benefits under a new federal program.  Let's say he gives you $50, and me $100.


Does that mean you didn't get any money??

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 To assert that "affirmative action never benefited blacks" is simply not defensible by ANY definition of "benefit."  You have received hiring preferences and students with higher scores and more impressive resumes were denied spots to be given to blacks.  Those are inarguable facts.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

According to the United States Labor Department, the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women. The Department of Labor estimated that 6 million women workers are in higher occupational classifications today than they would have been without affirmative action policies.

As for the gummitt donation. It is absolutely moot if it is based on race.


However, white women file more lawsuits claiming that they were denied their affirmative action benefits.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 Queen, I'm not trying to be snarky here, but so what??  All you gave me was a statement that affirmative action benefited 6 million women.  How is this proof it didn't benefit blacks, by any measure?


How does the number of lawsuits females file prove you didn't benefit?


And this statement, I have no idea what you're saying.

"As for the gummitt donation. It is absolutely moot if it is based on race."

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 Heck, this is as good an example of what I'm referring to as anything, and since I don't feel like doing a lot of searching to make a pretty obvious point, it's from the Time magazine editorial you yourself posted.  


I'm normally loath to cite something from Sally Kohn, who is frankly an idiot even by the low standards of left wing punditry, but here it is:


"Even in the private sector, the advancements of white women eclipse those of people of color. After IBM established its own affirmative-action program, the numbers of women in management positions more than tripled in less than 10 years. Data from subsequent years show that the number of executives of color at IBM also grew, but not nearly at the same rate."


See?  Not growing black presence among corporate executives at as fast a RATE as the female rate is not a lack of "benefit!"  

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

Whites are complaining about blacks benefiting more from affirmative action and that whites are demanding affirmative action benefits as well.


I am quoting your friend John Studer when he asked the silly a$$ed question about affirmative action.

" JO3221987  SO WHEN DOES THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION KICK IN FOR US WHITE FOLKS....BEING IN THE MINORITY AND ALL!!!"

In the hiring process, it is nothing more than a game. I used to work for the Urban League, so I know every trick in the book when it comes to hiring. White employers come to organizations like the Urban League and other organizations by people of color claiming that they have positions available and they are looking to hire people of color.  Many blacks and latinos apply for the jobs.  Weeks, months later, no response from the company.  Applicants follow up with letters, emails and phone calls and no response.

When I worked for the Urban League after talking to my clients and finding out that these companies were not hiring or responding to my clients requests.  I took it upon myself to start applying for those same jobs with a different name and race.  I applied as white.  All of a sudden I started getting call backs for those same jobs.  I eventually called those companies on their little game and they did not like it one bit.


What you and John and others fail to understand that there are plenty of blacks and latinos with degrees that often overlook because of the color of their skin and these same companies would rather let a job go unfilled just to keep out that person of color because they are lacking one skill or one less year of experience.  Basically refuse to hire a qualified person of color for some minor bullshit.

You have to really looked at the skewed statistics tracking the numbers of blacks unemployed.


Remember that race discrimination case I told you I was involved in?

Let me give you a blow by blow description of how white benefited from Affirmative Action than blacks.

1) Experienced black collectors were given typing and other office skills tests.  Non-experienced white applicants for the position of Collector I fresh out of high school were hired.  Collectors do not type.  There is a secretary for that.  Collectors do not file anything.  There is a File clerk for that department only.

2) Whites were allowed to take classes to add and improve their skills.  Blacks were not.  If blacks went to school, blacks was harassed and not allowed to attend class even if the company paid for it.


3) In my discrimination case, it was discovered that I was making 3/5th less than a white hair dresser that had the job of data entry clerk, even though I had experience in collections, mortgage/auto loan processing, re-fi, foreclosures, loan set-up, payoffs, and accounting.  I was making 3/5ths less than a white woman who admitted in her interview that she never knew how to balance her checkbook and yet, they hired her to balance 28 accounts in less than 1/2 hr.


A black woman with a accounting degree was denied employment.


Now for the answer to your next question, that is to be answered by contacting the EEOC.  Each case is handled on a case by case basis and via statistical record keeping.


When I was working in collections, all collectors were assigned a CCL and handgun.  I was the only black in the department.  Eventually my handgun was taken from me without explanation and the whites allowed to keep theirs.

The last statement is based on the fact that you were paid more than me for the same reason, but race and sex was the determining factors.



junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 It doesn't work like that, Queen, sorry.  You can't uncritically lead with a stat about women benefiting from AA, then when I show you how people of color have benefited, claim that the stats are outdated.  Here is the number specifically, and not from Sally Kohn.  And even though it is a few years old, so what?


"IBM’s affirmative action program highlights early identification of employees with high 

leadership potential, broadening career opportunities, and recruiting qualified employees from a 

diversity of backgrounds. Central to IBM’s Executive Resources program is the idea that 

recruiting, training, and retaining talented minorities is the responsibility of IBM’s management, 

from the CEO down through second line managers. From January 1996 to March 2001, the 

percentage of minority executives increased 170 percent – from 117 to 316 officials. (IBM, June 

2002)"


http://www.civilrights.org/equal-opportunity/fact-sheets/fact_sheet_packet.pdf 

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

Another affirmative action benefit which shows disparities between blacks and whites and that is banking and credit.

Prime example:  The bank where I used to work.

A high school classmate of mine, 3rd year military applying for a car loan.  Small credit.  No late pays.  All balances are paid off. $4,000 in the deal.  His father is co-signing.  Willie is turned down.  Why?

His father had a $29.00 charge off on his credit report.  Willie, Sr. provided documentation that it was not his charge-off and that he was working with Chilton, TRW and TransUnion to have it removed from his credit report.  Willie is black.

Still no luck.

A white woman rear-ended me in from of my office building.  A hit and run.  She applies for a car loan with my bank.  $3,000 down.  Here is what is on her credit report.  I still have her credit report

J. Magnin  -$12989.00

I. Magnin  -$15201.09

Ralph Lauren Polo -$10313.72

Bonwit Teller -$8429.78

Sakowitz -$11674.13

Macy's -$22479.01

Bloomingdales -$9846.23

Marshal Fields -$5423.79

Montaldos -$5100.19

Carson Pirie & Scott -$3157.00


This woman shopped at the same stores I did and we both had/have accounts at those same stores and yet she got the car loan.

 



queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

Again, you are wrong.  You have not proven that blacks benefited from Affirmative Action.  Crime statistics, social services statistics are at least 3-5 years in being reported.

IBM was one of the companies that I applied as a white woman and got the call back.IBM has no credibility with me at all.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

 A large percentage of White workers will lose out if affirmative action is continued.

Government statistics do not support this myth. According to the U.S. Commerce Department, there are 2.6 million unemployed Black civilians and 114 million employed White civilians (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2011). Thus, even if every unemployed Black worker in the United States were to displace a White worker, only 2% of Whites would be affected. Furthermore, affirmative action pertains only to job-qualified applicants, so the actual percentage of affected Whites would be even smaller. The main sources of job loss among White workers have to do with factory relocations and labor contracting outside the United States, computerization and automation, and corporate downsizing (Ivins, 1995).

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

 If Jewish people and Asian Americans can rapidly advance economically, African Americans should be able to do the same.

This comparison ignores the unique history of discrimination against Black people in America. Over the past four centuries, Black history has included nearly 250 years of slavery, 100 years of legalized discrimination, and only 50 years of anything else. Jews and Asians, on the other hand, are populations that immigrated to North America and included doctors, lawyers, professors, and entrepreneurs among their ranks. Moreover, European Jews are able to function as part of the White majority. To expect Blacks to show the same upward mobility as Jews and Asians is to deny the historical and social reality that Black people face.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 Sigh.  Queen, seriously, now you're just being silly.


First of all how is a 3 to 5 year delay in stats grounds for disregarding them??  Govt stats take a couple of years to analyze and compile, that is common knowledge.  That is no reason whatsoever to quibble with their usability.


So, IBM, a publicly traded, heavily scrutinized company is simply lying about how many black executives they employ, is that it?

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 "A large percentage of White workers will lose out if affirmative action is continued."


Who said this??  I didn't.  It has never been a point about a "large percentage," it's been about basic fairness.  If you were less qualified, you didn't get the college admission or the job, that simple.  You're arguing it's okay because it's unfairness in small doses?


The remainder of your post is supported by stats.  Would these be the same stats you said we should disregard because theyre too old a minute ago?

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

NO.  You are the one that is being silly.  You don't want to accept the fact that more whites benefit from Affirmative Action.

As for the statistical reference, I suggest that you contact those agencies.  When you contact your state human resources department and ask for the statistical breakdown of welfare recipients by race, they will tell you that those figures are not up to date.  When you ask why, they either have an answer or just plain flat out say I do not know.

No, IBM is saying that they cannot find good quality "qualified" black applicants.

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 actually, i consider it a "smart ass" comment!  I dont agree with affirmative action for black. white, yellow, or any color or race for that matter.  I personally would not accept affirmative action.  Hard work, grit and determination are what it really takes in my opinion....however, i dont agree with anyone holding anyone back that is willing to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their family.   I do believe there are those who would not hire someone based on race. I am not one....show skill and initiative and i will hire you regardless of race. Period!

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 No, it doesn't say much of anything.  It's silly semantics about an unsubstantiated assertion that the whites this person works with are less qualified than the blacks, branding THAT situation "affirmative action," and making the illogical conclusion that, "See??  This is proof affirmative action benefits white people!"

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 Gross oversimplification, Queen.  Asians were one step up from slaves in the 19th century.  I don't have stats handy for how many immigrated here educated versus uneducated, but that's a weak argument.  


Okay, dinnertime.  I'll pick back up later.

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 Queen....lets just say for instance that someone actually gave you a job and they listened to you militantly talk about affirmative action, black this and white that????   That employer is going to be scared shit that there would be a situation with you and one of the employees or management that would cost them a shi*tload of money.   Employers steer way clear of dramatic bs these day like you cant believe!   After all, are we not there to work, get paid, offer 8 for 8?????

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 I suppose a secondary point in this piece is to argue that affirmative action is a form of Keynesian economics, where economic "stimulus" is injected into the economy via higher quality employment, wages, and standards of living for non-whites.  Excerpt:


"Ultimately, affirmative-action programs are necessary to provide access for people who were prevented access by reasons of racism. They are a benefit to our entire society because increasing wealth for underrepresented groups increases wealth for all. Here’s a quick fact: Black households have one-tenth the wealth of white households in this country. If our society caught black households up it would be the equivalent of injecting the entire GDP of Japan into our economy. Who would benefit the most from this? White people. A rising tide lifts all boats, and there are more “white boats” in the bay."


This is fine as far as it goes, but this fatally undermines your argument, Queen:  I thought blacks DIDN'T BENEFIT from AA??  If this is going to work as an economic boost, blacks by definition would have to reap higher incomes in order for their subsequent consumption to increase economic growth, and thus, overall wealth!


It's also quite bizarre for the black political establishment to have treated every court case or legislative attempt to repeal affirmative action as a political death match if all AA did in practice was provide a boon to white women! 

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 I respect you enough, Queen, that I will take your anecdotes here completely at fact value with nothing more than your word.  But even so, what you have given here is, at worst, an example of credit discrimination.  This is NOT an affirmative action story in any way, and it certainly isn't proof blacks somehow don't benefit from AA.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@JohnStuder @queenofmeanest @junkbondtrader41 

Actually, this question should be addressed to a white woman.  She is the one that is suing the employer due her not receiving her affirmative action benefits.


I have heard more complaints coming from whites about blacks being paid more than them when there is no such proof to back that piece of absurd whining.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 

The continuous and ongoing genocide is what is being done to the Native Americans.

Stripped of their religion, culture, rampant alcohol and drug abuse, broken treaties, etc.

A ongoing American worldwide genocide is the United States selling weapons to both sides of a conflict while at the same time preaching democracy and other bullshit.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

Nice try.  You asked for recent and I gave you not only recent but ongoing.  I am not defending the indefensible.  I am only defending the truth, which is hard to comprehend.

Your United Snakes of America has a whores mouth and it works all sides of the street.  The US has provided weapons to most nations for many a year while at the same time selling weapons to the opposition as well.

The Russians and Chinese have been doing this for years as well.  It is what it is.

My mother had a bumper sticker on her car and it says this "General George Custer's ass was SIOUXED by the SIOUX Indians.  Who said that justice did not prevail."

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

We clearly won't agree on this, Queen, so let me just close out with the observation that Native Americans are THE sole demographic group in the US who are completely and utterly dependent on the federal govt. Federally funded reservations to live on, cradle to grave welfare in every area, tax favored status for their businesses, etc.

Now that is one HELL of an odd sort of "ongoing genocide! "

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 

Whose fault is that?  It is not the Native Americans.  It is the white man's fault.  The native americans are limited to treaties that is one way enforceable.  The U.S. government reaping the big rewards of their resources and yet paying them pennies or should I say wooden nickels on the dollar?

This is an ongoing genocide.  I suggest that read your history regarding how Presidents Grant, Jackson,  and other presidents led to the current state of indian affairs.


No matter how you deny or spin it.  It is still the white man's fault every step of the way as designed.


So there is no hope for absolution of the white mans sins.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@junkbondtrader41 @queenofmeanest 

That is your problem not mine.  It is well documented in Germ, Guns and Steel.  Make the time to study the treaties that the white man broke with the Indians.  Make the time to really study the acts committed against the Indians.  

Make the time.  Either way, the sins of the father.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

You're not following me, Queen. One, I have no intention of sorting out property to be given back as the survivors today were not alive to be stolen from, nor was I alive to commit the theft!

My suggestion was that they figure out a formula to square their OWN accounts of intertribal theft, warfare and atrocities before they avert their gaze to us.

It's all moot because NONE of it will happen. The US is ours. Period.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

Would you people learn what a RATE is, please??

Whites are two thirds of the population, and UNDERUSE this program relative to their numbers by about 25 percentage points! Blacks are 13% of the population and OVER USE it by double their numbers! Hence, blacks use the SNAP program at multiple times the rate of whites.

This is not complicated, and this point has been made in literally dozens of comments on this thread. Learn middle school math, will you!

JO3221987
JO3221987

Ummm lets get off a middle school and go to graduate school education. Since ur referring to rates in this article. If u just saw the post i said go to the website i put there. The huffpost its explaining statistics not rates and fyi whites have become the minority in the us. So 2/3 is a stretch

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

Huffpo's piece doesn't lay a glove on the overall point. All it points out is that in raw numbers there are more whites receiving food stamps than blacks. As if that is supposed to be some sort of meaningful point in a nation with population disparities that large. And yes, non-Hispanic whites are still about 65% of the population. You may be confusing the stat that the majority of children are no longer white.

It goes like this, dumbass. Let's say we have a population of 100 people, where 65 of them are white and 13 are black. Let's further say food is limited and that the 13 blacks eat so much food, they are consuming a quarter of the food, and whites are eating so little they consume only 40%. Whites would be justified on saying blacks are overconsuming food, and the reply from blacks that whites are consuming more raw quantities of food than they are, so it's WHITES who are the real problem would be just as stupid as your argument here!

JO3221987
JO3221987

Ignorance has been defined by your limitation & choices of words. I was expressing & sharing a different angle of things, that provides a different prospective. Instead of you just listening and considering this platform, you decided to try to prove a point of why this is not correct. With your mindset we as a human race will not reach our full potential. Your mathematical hypothesis is not literal, this is not the case of how things are, so yes i understand your point but its just point and not facts. Since you took the time to write this scenario, how about you come up with a solution that benefits all races and will improve this economy & perhaps some how and way your approach can be adopted. If this happens, then you truly have contributed to a % of success for the human race. "Dumbass"

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@JO3221987

"Ignorance has been defined by your limitation & choices of words."


Meaningless.


"I was expressing & sharing a different angle of things, that provides a different prospective.


Your "angle" and "perspective" have zero salience or meaning to what started this debate, sir.  This whole article is intended to be a rebuttal of the supposed "stereotype" about blacks and their heavy use of govt welfare programs.  It is meant to basically say, "Oh yeah??  Well, whites are a bigger portion of food stamp recipients!  So THERE!"


The criticism that blacks overuse public assistance on a per capita basis is not lessened at all by these numbers, it's a non-argument.  The criticism is NOT a "stereotype," it is a documented fact.  And you posting this Huffington Post article that does nothing but give an updated version of this same non-argument is no stronger a point than the version of it above.  


As I pointed out in other posts below, food stamps is hardly the ONLY means-tested govt assistance program.  There is WIC, TANF, housing subsidies, Medicaid, SSI, and on and on and on.  And when you calculate a more comprehensive stat that includes ALL of them and not just SNAP, the figures tilt even LESS favorably towards blacks, since whites don't even outnumber black recipients of all of those programs in raw numbers anymore, much less in statistical rates of usage.


http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/


" Instead of you just listening and considering this platform, you decided to try to prove a point of why this is not correct."


Um, because it isn't.  


"With your mindset we as a human race will not reach our full potential."


As if fostering more dependence on govt welfare program WILL help us "reach our full potential?"  However one might define that?


"Your mathematical hypothesis is not literal, this is not the case of how things are,"


It is not a "hypothesis," it's an analogy, and it's a perfectly apt one. 


"so yes i understand your point but its just point and not facts."


It IS a fact, and it's a more relevant fact than yours.


"Since you took the time to write this scenario, how about you come up with a solution that benefits all races and will improve this economy & perhaps some how and way your approach can be adopted. If this happens, then you truly have contributed to a % of success for the human race. "Dumbass""


I missed the part where I became like Luke Wilson's character in the movie "Idiocracy" and saving the world was my job.  I don't have the answers to save the world, at least none you will want to hear.  But it doesn't follow that my lack of ideas on how to turn a population of relative takers into producers means it's sound debate to scream and flog irrelevant stats to unfairly make your critics look guiltier of what you yourself are guilty of.

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@JO3221987  SO WHEN DOES THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION KICK IN FOR US WHITE FOLKS....BEING IN THE MINORITY AND ALL!!! HOW ABOUT THE ASIAN FOLKS???  THEY WONT TAKE THE GIFT OF WELFARE BECAUSE ITS NOT IN THEIR CULTURE!!!   YEARS OF THE RACE BAITERS HAVE TURNED THE BLACK PUPULATION BACK IN TO SLAVES FOR GODS SAKE!!!!   GOVT. OWNS THE BLACKS....THEY ARE SLAVES!

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@JohnStuder @JO3221987 

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION?  ARE YOU REALLY THE "F" ING SERIOUS.  HELL, MORON, YOU HAVE HAD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ALL ALONG.

IN YOUR CASE IT IS CALLED THE FOLLOWING:

LYING, CHEATING, KILLING AND STEALING 

AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO DEMAND MORE.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@JohnStuder @queenofmeanest @JO3221987 

Thank you for proving me right again.   No your mother is the "WELFARE QUEEN". So I suggest that you limit your limited way of thinking that you are above the law when it comes to lying, cheating, stealing and killing.


Your good thing is coming to an end real fast.

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@queenofmeanest @JohnStuder @JO3221987 NEVER LIED TO YOU, NEVER CHEATED YOU OUT OF ANYTHING, NEVER STOLE ANYTHING FROM YOU , AND I HAVENT KILLED YOU.....YET!   YOU HAVE ONLY PROVEN YOURSELF TO BE A RATCHET WITH NO RELEVANCE TO ME OR ANYONE!   GOOD THINGS COME TO ME EVERY DAY!   NO THANKS TO YOU! 

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@JohnStuder @queenofmeanest @JO3221987 

GOTCHA.  You have lied to me.  You have cheated me of my human rights.  You have not only stolen from me, but from the members of this board as well.


As for the death threat, you better think long and hard about that threat.  You are just a poor piece of white trash that is living in a fantasy world.  You have proven to the world that you are no more than a common animal.


YOU ARE A SOULESS BUNDLE OF ANIMAL CUNNING and that so-called death threat is nothing more than a fantasy.

All good things that come to you is via criminal activity.


Call me when you grow into some grown man britches and then we will see who will walk away alive.

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

@queenofmeanest @JohnStuder @JO3221987 John, dude, you obviously don't know me, but believe me when I say that Queen here is alright.  There are plenty of others on this board more needful of your hostility than she is.  


You're just both hot tempered, and that's okay.  But take it from someone who's basically on your side ideologically, she's a cool lady.  

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@queenofmeanest @JohnStuder @JO3221987 LISTEN, I GREW UP IN THE PROJECTS IN A CITY SOUTH OF BOSTON.   LOTS OF PEOPLE, WHITE AND BLACK MAY HAVE CONSIDERED ME WHITE TRASH GROWING UP.   BUT, THANKS TO A STRONG MOM WHO ALLOWED FOR NO EXCUSES WHATSOEVER, I HAVE GROWN UP TO BE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO EMPLOYS 10 PEOPLE THAT I CONSIDER GREAT FRIENDS!   I OFFER A 401K AS WELL AS PAY HALF OF THEIR HEALTHCARE.  I AM A CONTRIBUTOR TO MY COMMUNITY IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS THAT I WONT MENTION TO YOU HERE!   WHAT DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE YOU CARE TO TALK ABOUT EXCEPT IDLE THREATS AND NONSENSE?   I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST SAY "THANK YOU" AND MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD GIRL....

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@JohnStuder @queenofmeanest @JO3221987 

I OWN 25% OF A OIL AND GAS DRILLING COMPANY, THAT INCLUDES ONSHORE AND OFFSHORE,  AND I EMPLOYEE 183 EMPLOYEES.  I AM PREPARED TO BUY OUT ANOTHER PARTNER AND I WON'T NEED FINANCING TO DO IT EITHER. MY THREE SECRETARIES ALONE ARE MILLIONAIRES.


I DON'T MAKE IDLE THREATS LADY. 


SO TAKE YOUR TRICYCLE AND HIT THE ROAD.

JohnStuder
JohnStuder

@queenofmeanest @JohnStuder @JO3221987 NOT SURE WHAT YOUR POINT IS, YOU SEEM TO WORK HARD AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.  I DO THE SAME.  YOU SAID I STOLE SOMETHING FROM YOU?   I CALL BULLSHIT.   NEVER STOLE A THING FROM ANYONE.  I WORK HARD, PAY TAXES AND HAVE A GREAT LIFE!   IF YOU DO TO, GOOD FOR YOU!      COMMON ANIMAL?   EXPLAIN!

junkbondtrader41
junkbondtrader41

Ms. Carnell, don't be shocked, but let me pay you a compliment. No one can say you don't allow dissent. In an age of forums who police themselves of any peep of disagreement like the KGB, that's commendable