If Trayvon Martin Was Pounding Zimmerman MMA Style on the Dirt, Why Was Zimmerman’s Jacket So Clean?

by Yvette Carnell

In George Zimmerman’s murder trial, the defense is claiming that Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin because Zimmerman feared for his life. To support that claim, Zimmerman’s defense counsel maintains that 17 year old Trayvon Martin was slamming Zimmerman’s head into the concrete shortly before the fatal shooting. But does this align with evidence at the scene? As the trial continues, we should consider what we know about the evidence police gathered after the shooting occurred.

Firstly, let’s remember that no one has testified that they witnessed Trayvon Martin slamming George Zimmerman’s head into the concrete. The witness with the best view of the fight, Johnathan Good,  said only that he believed he saw someone with a dark shirt atop someone with a “red or white” shirt. But when the prosecution asked  Good if he saw anyone being attacked in the way the defense team characterized the beating,  Good responded by saying, “I couldn’t see that.”

But here’s a picture of Zimmerman’s jacket taken 45 minutes after he k!lled Trayvon Martin:

Zimmermansbackjacket_zpsf6baa9be

Does this look like the jacket of man who was flat on his back on the grass and dirt, fighting for his life under the weight of 150 lb teenager?  Remember that Zimmerman claims that he sort of slid onto the grass to get his head off the concrete. Also, keep in mind that it was damp and rainy on the night in question. How’d Zimmerman escape the fight of his life without as much as a smudge on his jacket? And Zimmerman’s jeans were clean as well.

And here is a picture of Zimmerman’s nose minus the blood:

zimmermannos nose

Regarding Zimmerman’s head wound,  a doctor testified on Friday that the scalp is a very “vascular” area, meaning it has many veins and thus, bleeds easily.Those wounds in the back of Zimmerman’s head were not serious injuries. In fact, Zimmerman never suffered any serious injuries in what he and his defense counsel characterize as a life and death match.

If Zimmerman was fighting for his life on the night in question, the evidence sure doesn’t seem to support that. If Trayvon was using “Ground and Pound” MMA moves to punch Zimmerman in the face dozens of times, then why’d Zimmerman only get a bloody nose and a couple of cuts on the back of the head? And why was there only one minor injury to Trayvon Martin’s hand?

These are just a few of the questions we should keep in mind as the trial continues.

Update: Here are Trayvon Martin’s pants, with visible stains in the knee areas.

grass stains

 

 

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queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

The Ferguson Grand Jury failed to indict.  Rioting in Ferguson.

mcm27
mcm27

@queen of mean you agreed with her, you said I need rehab. Here's a picture of my youngest. And like I said I have no reason to lie, anything I stated was from the trial. And no one needs to feel sorry for my sons they have been loved and raised better than most. And if I smoked meth or lived In A trailer I probably couldn't afford to buy my son A Mercedes for his 18th birthday, would you like a pic of that as well? There ya go one of my 'beige' babies. So go ahead and send some more negative comments.

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

MissParks I coud not agree more!

Your very apt way of putting things in their proper perspective is on point.

I would NEVER make assumptions about people as I like to engage a person on a positive and constructive level in order to get to know them.

We can all agree to disagree in a civil manner.

Must add I love your sense of humor and gold old fashioned sayings that apply to everyday life.

Peace and strength today .

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Queenof mean, thank you for your commentary. Most of all thank you for that link! I'm a insatiable reader and I will certainly look into that. By the way allow me to say you are one fiesty, impressionable young lady. Enjoy thoroughly your posts. Peace and much strength .

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Bottom line here. Trayvon Martin is no longer here and a mother is left with a hole in her heart that will never close.

Instead of closure she will be left with questions that deserve a definitive answer.

This young man is dead because a emotionally and perhaps mentally unstable man with preconceived notions of a yong black male (negative for certain given what was caught on tape) decided that he could circumvent rule of law and initiate a confrontation that led to this unfortunate turn of events.

I had the opportunity to see Mrs. Martin some several months ago and offer words of condolences that really will never take away her pain.

Zimmerman had no business following this young man and was told not to do so when he called in his "suspicion" .

He chose the alternative and now a young life that had potential has been snuffed out due to a culture that has thrived on perverting justice and maintaining the corrupted status quo as we know it.

Republicans and Democrats are basically two sides of a coin. Neither ultimately serve their constituents in the manner that benefits the betterment of this great country.

So much potential at our feet but sadly it seems to be going the route of being unfulfilled.

smackdab1
smackdab1

I see everyone has his her opinion, however, only 3 people know exactly what really happened, (God, GZ, & TM), that's it, anything else is pure & simple speculation, say what you will about Zimmerman, or Trayvon, the only thing that can be really stated is that another young black male his lost his life, & for what, Trayvon had a right to be where he was, Zimmerman had no right to confront him.  But in the end come judgment day he'll have to answer to the almighty for his actions, as will all of us, no doubt about it.  God Bless one and all.

mcm27
mcm27

Why would his jacket be dirty? Common sense people, trayvon was hitting him in the head, not dragging him through the dirt. Look at trayvons pants, do you think he got grass stains on his knees because he was just sitting or standing there? NO it's because he was straddling GZ, punching him in the head. Which is exactly what the prosecution witness said. Plus GZ wasn't even sure of the race of trayvon so how could he profile him???? The 911 tape at the trial was clear the dispatcher asked GZ what the race was of the person, and he said "I think he's black", unlike trayvon who by his own cousin or girlfriends comments he replied to GZ as a "creepy as cracker" . Wow what an awesome innocent young man trayvon was, NOT. He was a wanna tough guy who thought he could just attack someone for NO reason. GZ never confronted trayvon, he headed back to his car like the dispatcher instructed him to do. And if anyone else is going to respond by saying ignorant comments like GFO, save it. Some people are too stupid to see things for what they are. And always want to make and issue when there isn't one. So save it.

mcm27
mcm27

And that's a shame, he should have been indicted. Now more people are going to die when they shouldn't be. But rioting isn't the way to solve it. The people rioting, may think they are helping when they are hurting the situation. Michael Browns father asked them to not do that. I have tremendous respect and empathy for them.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@mcm27,

Just a little advice, you can take it or leave it. But, it's not a good idea to post your sons picture on here for many reasons. And no doubt he probably wouldn't like it if he knew. But, regardless if he knew or not, I would remove it.

He's very nice looking by the way. Be safe.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

Did you ever study Biology or Botany?  Did you know that depending on the time of year and are, there are different levels of Chlorophyll in the grass?

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

And??????????????  So what if I agreed with Carol?  I would agreed with you if you was not so busy trashing another woman's child.  A child that was gunned down in cold blood.

Think about what you have said.  KARMA IS A BITCH.  If you are looking for friends, you won't find any lady.



CarolParks
CarolParks

@Fitzgerald Ostriker, Gee, thanks! I quote my Grandmother a lot, she really inspired me growing up. Lots of common sense, & a true, loving spirit.

And the " Queen", is tough, but underneath there is a heart of Gold. I think I'm a pretty good judge of character. Lol! Your not so bad yourself!

:-D

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@Fitzgerald Ostriker 

GZ did what he wanted to do anyway and he knew that with his past and his father being a judge that nothing would happen to him.


He has been wanting to execute someone all along.


BTW, I could snatch those false teeth of GZ  attorney and stomp them and feed them back to him.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@Fitzgerald Ostriker,

You met with Sybrina Martin? That is very impressive. I really admired her dignity, & Class. I never could have been as strong as she was after losing her son in such a brutal, senseless way. My heart just broke for her, & the rest of the family. Nothing can replace her son. Nothing.

BeamerBeamer
BeamerBeamer

@mcm27 If Zimmerman's head was being beat against the cement 20 to 30 times, you don't think any blood would run down on his collar, jacket?  You think he would have more than a scratch on his nose?  What was Martin doing?  He was walking home from the store talking on the phone.  Zimmerman immediately imaged (because he is black) that he was up to no good.  Called the police, He told the dispatcher Martin looked like he was high?  Really?  The he followed him, he never identified himself.  At one point he was chasing Trayvon.  Coupled with the fact Zimmerman had made over 50 calls to dispatchers about suspicious black people in the neighborhood including an 8 year old girl.  Funny how you disparage Trayvon's character who was a teenager, and not a grown man who has in the past several domestic violence complaints, assaulted his wife, his father in law, assaulted the police, was accused of molesting his cousin multiple times.  Never ever hear a word about Zimmerman's character.  You people are just haters.  You think all young black men are thugs and don't give a flee fart about us.  Because of your deep inane hatred that you have always carried for all black people.  No there would be some blood.  Also one of the witnesses said the person on top was throwing MMA style punches, w who studied Marshall Arts for 18 months.  Here is a hint, not Trayvon.

BlackRobbb
BlackRobbb

@mcm27 Zimmerman was heard saying to the police dispatcher "I'm tired of these people getting away with this!" Who was the "these people" he was referring to? Of course this lunatic profiled this kid. People like you are in denial and deny even more when presented with facts. You either need to do accurate research or refrain from commenting because you sound extremely ignorant and uneducated.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27


I agree.  As I understand it it is the outsiders that are rioting.  I remember when the first Rodney King verdict came in.  I was sitting on the runway at LAX.  My plane was number 13.  I remember when the pilot announced the verdict, you could hear a pin drop, even with the engines running.


Then the pilot said, Ladies and Gentlemen, please brace yourselves, someone is shooting at the planes.

That was not a easy flight to be on.  When I was flying over Las Vegas you could see gun shots from the air.

 

mcm27
mcm27

What's does that have to do with anything? Are you referring to the grass stains on Trayvons pants? I was not trying to trash him, but if you watched the trial and listened to the conversation him and that girl had, which was out of her own mouth, you get another side of Trayvon. I don't wish anyone's children dead. I don't treat people bad, I treat everyone with respect.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@queenofmeanest,

And don't forget his attorney wanted nothing to do with him after he kept getting in trouble with the police, after the trial. I think he knew GZ should have been convicted of second degree. Although, to me GZ had it in his head as he stalked him to kill him. I believe that, but it would be hard to prove, but it would have been murder in the first degree.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@queenofmeanest,

You know I don't blame that Murderer's attorney, everyone is entitled to a defense attorney. But, I do blame that incompetent Prosecution team, who left out so much, & handled the case so ineffectively. You may not believe this, but I could have done a much better job. This was a farce & just a make believe trial to shut ppl up.

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

That is very commendable of you Miss Parks and I am not suprised because as I've stated before you come across as a compassionate and considerate person.

To be selfless doesn't require much if one just considers the feeling of contentment within ones spirit and heart after doing a good deed or simply lending an sympathetic ear to anyone who needs encouragement.

The act of giving is rewarding enough

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Goodmorning Miss Parks. Yes I did have the opportunity some time back to come into contact with Mrs Martin. A very dignified and stoic woman who exudes a presence of quiet strength.

However when I saw her there was no mistaking the look in her eyes of sadness and perhaps resignation.

She was traveling out of Miami international airport and she came through the security checkpoint that I supervise.

I was told by one of the officers that Mrs. Martin was coming through and I got up and approached her just to offer some words of support and love.

Mrs. Martin accepted them quietly and graciously but the sadness was very evident. I felt compelled to give her a reassuring hug and offer a moment of prayer but given my position it would not have been the right time to do so.

My supplications to our Lord Jesus on her behalf were done at home during prayer time.

I cannot begin to understand this poor womans loss and the depths of it because a mother has a unique bond with their child. More so than any other person because she has carried and given birth to this new LIFE and it is the fruit of her body. Not even a fathers love as deep as it is can compare to a mothers love.

Frankly I sometimes wonder what is going on with our Society. There is so much nastiness and meanspiritedness that has taken root here in this United States and it is largely steeped in petty motivations and prejudices and self interests.

I pray constantly for peace each day when I rise because life is a gift given freely by our loving father in heaven.

That is cause enough to be happy and to show kindness to others and to extend an encouraging hand to someone who may feel downtrodden on any given day.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@BeamerBeamer,

The Murderer, is a Sociopath, that is his Mo from what his past thru to his present shows. If he had his head smashed into cement 20 to 30 times he would be dead, & his brains spilled onto the sidewalk. mcm27, has no clue, & has no interest in facts, nor common sense. Because anyone with common sense would know to have your head beat into the cement like that, would do a tremendous amount of damage, & not some barely visible scratches.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@BeamerBeamer @mcm27 

Besides GZ did not have any hair to get a good traction to beat into the sidewalk unless Trayvon was using both hands.

Looking at GZ there no hand prints on his head or face.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@BeamerBeamer @mcm27 

20 to 30 times?  Naw, that did not happen.  There would have been more serious damage.  GZ would not have been able to retrieve his gun.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@BeamerBeamer 

Either mcn27 is really a man in drag or just GZ impersonating a white woman with black sons just to get his point across.

One of my younger brothers is a Army Ranger.  After GZ got in trouble in Texas, he called me to arrange a class to teach me how to snap his neck.  I told him I know how and he said, well, it is time for a refresher course.

:-)

CarolParks
CarolParks

@mcm27, @queenofmeanest,

Mental Health Hospital.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@BlackRobbb,

Mother Jones, is a Leftist Site. Glad you are finally seeing the light!

Lol! ;-D

mcm27
mcm27

That's terrible. Because they are just making things worse for the people of ferguson. Two of the black women from cnn had bottles and rocks thrown at them. So do you think the people that are looting and rioting in ferguson should be prosecuted, if they can be recognized and named from pics and videos?? Because regardless of the verdict they have just destroyed a city, and businesses that are black owned.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

Let me tell you something about trials. Attorneys always think that the jurors are stupid.  Like I said, you brought up the grass stains and I gave you a solution.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@Fitzgerald Ostriker,

I hope you & your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Many Blessings will come your way!

CarolParks
CarolParks

@Fitzgerald Ostriker,

What a wonderful person you are! The world could use a lot more people like yourself. I am sure Mrs. Martin appreciated your kindness.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@queenofmeanest, @mcm27, @BeamerBeamer,

Serious Damage? He would have his brains spilled out on the ground!

CarolParks
CarolParks

@queenofmeanest, @ BeamerBeamer,

LMAOROTF! :-D

BlackRobbb
BlackRobbb

@CarolParks I have a bumper sticker on my fridge that reads "NOT A LIBERAL" in big red letters. :o)

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

I think rioters and looters should be prosecuted.  What the rioters in this situation is not thinking or concerned to the economic damage they are causing.

If they are from out of state, I have no idea if they can be identified from pics and videos.

In this case, the City of Ferguson and Police are to blame due to the racism against citizens of color.

 

mcm27
mcm27

But there is only one conclusion when you look at those stains. If trayvon had been on his back being attacked he couldn't have grass stains on his knees. The grass stains corroborate GZs version of that night. I will never dispute that GZ was responsible for trayvons death. They both reacted wrong. And unfortunately gz had a gun. But please explain what you mean about the stains. And the jurors. If it's something I missed I honestly would like to know.

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Miss Parks I would like to take this opportunity to wish you and yours a wonderful, fulfilling and generally peaceful thanksgiving. Much peace and strength.

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Carol I sincerely wish that mere words could somehow bring about a total transformation for Mrs. Martin in terms of healing but the reality is they can only provide some form of comfort.

True healing comes from the Lord and through those of us he uses on this earth to be a source of encouragement and strength for others who are suffering a loss, problems etc.

Prayer when done by just one person is powerul and can move mountains.

Prayer when done by MANY people can move cities and more.

So I will say that prayer for her and for the renewal of this great country.

Thank you for the kind words and the same can certainly apply to you as well. Cheers.

Fitzgerald Ostriker
Fitzgerald Ostriker

Queenofmean, Goodmorning. I love a good book and I will make it a point to print that out for certain. Yes I must agree that Ferguson is a disaster and a tragedy on many levels.

If one didn't know any better one would think this was a story that came put of the 1950/1960s.

The grandjury dropped the ball here BIG-TIME.

I can fully understand the anger and frustration of the citizens there who KNOW that there is a huge issue with police force and the governing officials of the town of Ferguson.

For someone to say that there is not a serious problem then they are being either niave, disingenuous or just plain prejudiced themselves and will choose to believe what they WANT to believe.

On a lighter note I would like to extend prayers of peace,contentment and good tidings to you and your family this Thanksgiving . Peace and strength.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@queenofmeanest,

The October issue of Rolling Stone, yes check it out online.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@BlackRobbb,

Awe! And I had such high hopes for you!

LMAO! ;-D

mcm27
mcm27

Have there been seriously racist problems in that city? Ferguson? I'm not trying to be smart I just haven't heard of any problems besides the incident with Michael brown. I'm being completly honest, when it comes to situations in regards to white vs black, I can honesty say from white people, and reading blogs, posts, and the general consensus from white people is usually they don't care about a persons skin color, they will judge actions before skin color. And I know that may not seem to be the case to you. I'm just going by what I've aeen n heard, witnessed , conversations I've had, a white person will judge another's actions before they will judge them by the color of their skin. More times then not from a wire persons view, they don't judge on the color of skin. Now granted you do have people that will, and they may even outweigh those that don't. Like for instance would there even be a blog if GZ had been white and trayvon had been white? I know a lot of black people don't want to believe that, unit where I just worked, it was 98%white people and no convos ever judged the situation by the persons skin. Now granted some of them were probably racists to the bone and just contained it when they spoke to me. But the more educated a person was the less they used race in making decisions on how they felt about a certain situation. Idk if you are liberal or conservative and I don't want to offend you, but the less educated a person is the more they vote conservative, of course there are exceptions. But back to ferguson, have there been racist incidents between police and black people??

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

There is a book on such legal strategy and I will never reveal the title or the author.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

As I have said, depending on the area, weather and time of year there is a depletion of chlorophyll, which is your grass stain.

I work in my garden all of the time and very rarely I have grass stains on my pants.  My family and I play tackle football and we have little to any grass stains on our clothes.  Mostly mud, but little grass stains.

As for attorneys, both sides want jurors who will not rely on their previous education and training.  This is a strategy that they rely on to get the verdict they want.

Also, another strategy is to withhold evidence and this is also how GZ won his case.

Let me give you a little more information on my background.

I have studied Biotechnology, which includes replication of RNA, creating genes, etc.  I have also studied criminology back in the 80s before the curriculum was cancelled,due to lack of enrollment.   I studied chemistry, physics and basically the hard sciences.


I have sat on several jury trials, all capital murder cases and not one time, was I ever questioned about my scientific training.


I listened to the trial and not only did the prosecution deliberately failed to present her case properly, so did the medical/forensics experts.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@CarolParks 

My mother used to have a bumper sticker saying "General George Custer was Siouxed by the Sioux Indians.  Who said that Karma isn't a Bitch.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

Apparently there have been racist incidents not reported by the mainstream media.

queenofmeanest
queenofmeanest

@mcm27 

There are serious racial problems in Ferguson.  I blame both the Police and the City for the racial problems.

With the hiring of only three black police officers, it seems to me that the Police is not serious about hiring more people of color.

Many whites will say that they do not judge by color on social media and that reason is because their employers are monitoring their postings.

I noticed many whites say the same thing and then they showed their true colors when Obama was elected President.

I live in Colorado and Colorado is more racist than the deep south.  The racism is very subtle.  In most cases one would have to be born here in order to detect it.

Michael Shoals, step-father of Isiah Shoals, a Columbine shooting victim admitted that Colorado is more racist than the south.

Early 2000s, Isiah Shoals body was moved to Texas.

CarolParks
CarolParks

@BlackRobbb,

Actually, as I have said before I am in the middle. I do not agree with some of the Liberal positions. I believe it is fine to own a gun, but I would like background checks to be done. And as far as abortion goes, it should not be done after 8 weeks. In the cases of rape, child molestation, etc., they need to do it right away. And it never should be used as birth control. There are so many options to take not to get pregnant.

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