If Trayvon Martin Was Pounding Zimmerman MMA Style on the Dirt, Why Was Zimmerman’s Jacket So Clean?

by Yvette Carnell

In George Zimmerman’s murder trial, the defense is claiming that Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin because Zimmerman feared for his life. To support that claim, Zimmerman’s defense counsel maintains that 17 year old Trayvon Martin was slamming Zimmerman’s head into the concrete shortly before the fatal shooting. But does this align with evidence at the scene? As the trial continues, we should consider what we know about the evidence police gathered after the shooting occurred.

Firstly, let’s remember that no one has testified that they witnessed Trayvon Martin slamming George Zimmerman’s head into the concrete. The witness with the best view of the fight, Johnathan Good,  said only that he believed he saw someone with a dark shirt atop someone with a “red or white” shirt. But when the prosecution asked  Good if he saw anyone being attacked in the way the defense team characterized the beating,  Good responded by saying, “I couldn’t see that.”

But here’s a picture of Zimmerman’s jacket taken 45 minutes after he k!lled Trayvon Martin:


Zimmermansbackjacket_zpsf6baa9be

Does this look like the jacket of man who was flat on his back on the grass and dirt, fighting for his life under the weight of 150 lb teenager?  Remember that Zimmerman claims that he sort of slid onto the grass to get his head off the concrete. Also, keep in mind that it was damp and rainy on the night in question. How’d Zimmerman escape the fight of his life without as much as a smudge on his jacket? And Zimmerman’s jeans were clean as well.

And here is a picture of Zimmerman’s nose minus the blood:

zimmermannos nose

Regarding Zimmerman’s head wound,  a doctor testified on Friday that the scalp is a very “vascular” area, meaning it has many veins and thus, bleeds easily.Those wounds in the back of Zimmerman’s head were not serious injuries. In fact, Zimmerman never suffered any serious injuries in what he and his defense counsel characterize as a life and death match.

If Zimmerman was fighting for his life on the night in question, the evidence sure doesn’t seem to support that. If Trayvon was using “Ground and Pound” MMA moves to punch Zimmerman in the face dozens of times, then why’d Zimmerman only get a bloody nose and a couple of cuts on the back of the head? And why was there only one minor injury to Trayvon Martin’s hand?

These are just a few of the questions we should keep in mind as the trial continues.

Update: Here are Trayvon Martin’s pants, with visible stains in the knee areas.

grass stains

 

 

785 comments
ElroyWilson
ElroyWilson

"TM" was found on the ground face down the EMT/COPS turned him over if u see the death pics ....PLEASE KNOW

ElroyWilson
ElroyWilson

The FACT!!!! that the cops were on tape telling GZ 2 back off B4 he did anything 2 TM is enough guilt!!!

eedan0833
eedan0833

Eric Holder hands are tied because the FBI is part of the coverup! Sharpton, Crump, Regional Justice Dept. Rep are all part of the coverup.

Northern Lights
Northern Lights

He DID immediately start telling a fire dept attendant cleaning him up in the back of Ofcr Smith's patrol car, that HE had yelled for help and no one would help him; Officer Smith stated in his report that at no time did he ask anything to produce this statement. This ridiculous spin in light of his voice exemplar and that he was unable to sound anything like TM's 911 screams, was out of consciousness of guilt because he knew he murdered a screaming unarmed kid, he knew that people heard the screams, and he knew that if he didn't successfully spin those, it necessarily meant his decision to kill for other than self-defense would be recognized as that.

It is to me in light of that he killed Trayvon Martin, criminally negligent of GZ not to have told TM what was up. Knowing GZ's intent and purpose would directly and rather immediately affect one's deicion on whether to defend one's self. Considering his age, having started Neighborhood Watch, having taken Law Enforcement in school, you'd think he'd be knowledgeable and responsible enough to see the importance in clarifying his intentions; but it seems he was too busy viewing TM as the suspect he wanted not to get away.

We know a lot thru Rachel Jeantel, that the SUSPICIOUS, SELF-AUTHORIZED GZ WHO HAD LITTLE REAL REASON TO SUSPECT TM, NEVER ANNOUNCED HIS INTERESTS AND DID NOT ANSWER TRAYVON'S QUESTION. Trayvon was not wearing clothing that fit a criminal profile according to Serino. TM is not known to have resembled a prior suspect. Trayvon got caught in the rain but that happens. People purchase hooded garments to use the hood. Trayvon was walking at an unremarkable hour. 

The only things distinguishing Trayvon (or not) from anyone else walking outdoors that evening, were that Trayvon was black and he was walking in that specific neighborhood which happened to have break-ins recently and which was also Zimmerman's. But for GZ to have such a consuming view of TM as a burglary suspect that he couldn't even give TM the benefit of the doubt, especially since he knew a bit about law enf and had no authority / radio with which to run a check on TM -- so he in fact knew NOTHING about Trayvon -- then GZ might have a cognitive or mental issue -- or he felt Trayvon's race was enough reason to assign all of this suspicion to TM. 

This seems compelling as the most likely factor remaining after sifting through many possibilities. But it is not cause for the enormous suspicion GZ exhibited & acted on.  Consider whatever GZ suspected, TM deserved the benefit of the doubt--in a worst-case scenario, a suspect would be protected so that he would make it to his day in court. 

The suspicions of GZ toward TM & the murder of Trayvon seem to nullify meaning there might have been in there being an African-American relative in GZ's family, or the reported tutoring of black children attributed to GZ. These do not interpret to mean GZ was not prejudiced. This all-consuming suspicion of GZ might have also been related to mental issues or the Adderall he was taking, which contains CNS stimulants/ amphetamine. Amphetamine can cause aggression and poor judgment, HBP, accelerated heart rate and more; and it is unfortunate we will never know how much of it GZ was taking.

I have thought many times that by the time Trayvon was screaming over having been threatened with a gun, which would explain those intensely terrified screams, GZ had botched so much up that he felt it would be less trouble for him to kill the witness. I cannot see another reason to pull the trigger on Trayvon when Trayvon was unarmed and terrified that his life was about to end. 

Northern Lights
Northern Lights

Of the two, Trayvon's lungs were free to take in enough air to produce those extended heart-wrenching screams; & unarmed Trayvon had the most reason to intensely fear as we hear on 911--likely from being threatened with GZ's gun. GZ's lungs were constricted under TM's weight and GZ had a gun. He is a lesser candidate for the terror we hear on 911 and, by the time of the screams, GZ would have been able to conclude TM had no weapon. GZ's throat / voice should have been affected had those screams been his IMO. Nothing unusual however was observed or heard regarding GZ's voice.

Witness Jayne Surdyka who called 911, was a former middle school teacher and should know how teenagers' voices sound. At trial & since on Dr. Drew, she stated she had been hearing the younger of the two voices before the shot. Ms. Surdyka -- other than possibly Trayvon -- is the only person I know to have been affected to the point of crying that night. She was too near in proximity and sound to be unaffected; and she was distraught that someone had taken another's life.

To avoid appearing to be a murderer, GZ has thought nothing of exploiting his killing of TM by falsely portraying it as necessary self-defense against a vicious attacker when we who paid attention to Rachel's testimony and to the evidence, know this was not the case. Trayvon has been exploited in death by GZ claiming falsely that he was the one being victimized, he was the one screaming and he was the one who needed to defend himself--all contrary to witnesses and evidence. I think the jurors should have been presented with the GZ voice exemplar in contrast with the 911 screams, even without expert testimony. Sometimes experts are overrated.

GZ IMO asked for his injuries; & his overweight, out-of-shape state could have led him to injure himself in a fall or tackle while chasing Trayvon Martin in the dark over uneven slippery ground. He appears he might lack finesse or be somewhat inept, but whether this is the case, GZ didn't follow TM in a subtle manner. It bears mentioning however that hiding a big lumbering body in a red jacket would be about as impossible as GZ's claim that anyone TM's height could hide in -- and jump out from -- the tiny shrubs near the building at the "T." 

TM actually DID NOT RUSH TO HURT GZ. Trayvon RAN until he was winded to avoid being followed by GZ, and TM HAD LOST GZ, when GZ reappeared and OVERTOOK TRAYVON near TM's residence (testified to by RJ who was on phone--one of many things GZ has never admitted to). But even in those stressful conditions, Trayvon Martin was civil, asking why was GZ following him. GZ doesn't ever mention this, another of many things he never mentioned, pretending they didn't happen, because they didn't work for him. 

Northern Lights
Northern Lights

Not only do I not blindly believe GZ's account, but like the State prosecutors, my mind is open to possibilities, since GZ lies and TM is not here to tell us his truths. I have not believed Zimmerman unless his word is backed up by a witness or evidence; He shows that he is exploitative, before during & since this trial; but especially in taking Trayvon Martin's life. Exploitative not only in taking TM's life, but in all of the related lies GZ has told, about Trayvon's alleged behaviors and about his own, including what GZ claimed occurred that motivated him to kill. 

This past week in posts opposing GZ-supporters, two had missed learning of John Good's changed statements early in 2012. Good originally made Martin sound aggressive. His original statements didn't help Trayvon Martin's image & I am grateful Good corrected himself; I believe "ground & pound" and "MMA-style" were attributed to him. They are catchy & people have remembered them but Good had to ask himself were they accurate and decided NO. 

SO IF I MIGHT ASK, how does it help clarify what actually occurred, if we continue to use terms "ground & pound" and "MMA style"in a context other than stating they are not valid as to what Good says he witnessed? Since Good has corrected those initial perceptions, isn't it better that we maintain the clarity of those corrections? That way we can come against GZ-supporters who still use those terms & or ideas to justify GZ killing Trayvon. Let's emphasize that since Good reevaluated & corrected his statements, it appears that MMA-style is pertinent to positioning,not to action.

GOOD's CORRECTIONS INCLUDE HE SAW NO BLOW DELIVERED; the PERSON ON TOP MIGHT'VE BEEN HOLDING DOWN THE OTHER, and HE DID NOT KNOW WHO WAS YELLING FOR HELP since it was too dark to see mouths. This is good since Trayvon's was the voice on the 911 calls going by the voice exemplar of GZ that everyone is afraid to label as OBVIOUSLY NOT THE VOICE SCREAMING ON 911. 

I read that his gun was taken away from GZ recently. That suggests he was not believed by law enf that there was no gun in his latest escapade involving aggression--this time with estranged wife & father-in-law. It seems GZ is spending a great deal of time with law enf after all, with his monthly appearances on police videos.

chamonixbling
chamonixbling

Zimmerman has been out shopping for new weapons so he "won't be getting his head pounded" into the ground anymore. I, frankly think it's an insult that the news-media insists on giving us a "play-by-play of Zimmerman's "free-man-activities" and a way of "fanning the flames" as the elders use to say. It would not have been right, nor would it have served anything positively, yet had it not been for the sophistication and wisdom of the Fulton/Martin parents of Trayvon, violence would have erupted before we could think !  By continuing to "show and tell" Zimmerman's "free-man activities" it causes a constant tie-back to the death of a young man who wasn't even old-enough to serve the country of his birth, isn't  Smart, to me. I say these things on the 50th Anniversary of the March on Washington established by Rev. Martin Luther King .

NadiaRatel
NadiaRatel

This just proves as all we know that he is always being lying, too bad the prosecution and the judge didn't seem to see that!!

RobbinWalker
RobbinWalker

Why if GZ was getting beat that bad why he did not have any black eyes cause if he was getting pound that bad he to me would have had some black eyes he claim he hit him hard enough to fracture his nose.

vjordan46
vjordan46

MoFreedom;

In defense of the young man being kicked, beaten by the African American students, they deserve whatever punishment rendered to them because that was an unfair fight, but in GZ case, that was a fair fight, remember, do not start a fight with anyone if you are not equip to stand your ground without a weapon; however, again, those three young African Americans deserve whatever punishment rendered to them. That fight was totally unnecessary.

vjordan46
vjordan46

MoFreedom;

I bet you are an excellent dancer because it appears that you love to dance your way around what is asked of you to answer. Hummm, I would have had a difficult time with you being in my class because instead of you answering the question, I can see that you love to go around the mulberry bush, and still not provide an adequate answer to the question. No worries, that is the way that you do business, and for that, I have to respect your way of handling things.

Be Blessed my dear

VJordan

vjordan46
vjordan46

MoFreedom;

Everything is always about race to you. Lets us do a little history lesson if we may. Do you know the story about the fighter name "Hurricane" if so, lets see what you think about the outcome of his story.

Also, think about MLK, what do you think about that situation, or for that matter, lets think about one of your own, President Kennedy, what do you think about that situation.

My point is not all crimes or situations that take place in the world are committed by a AA. Hey, think about the young man that went into the movie theatre and killed all of those innocent people, or the numerous school shootings where the individuals killed numerous of people. Those crimes were not committed by an AA American.

Why is everything about race with you. Not all AA are bad, and not all white people are good. so, why you keep thinking that you are safer around your own people, you may want to think again, the prison population is filled with more than AA males.

Again, my question is what is your plan to change your community, not isolate the races because we as a people have to get along in this world today. So, as a law abiding citizen, what is your goal to change the world in which we live. Try not to put race in the equation this time.

Good luck !!!!

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

Assume that an extremely tough, teenage, white Klansman that had been in many fights knocked a 30-year old black man with no fighting skills to the ground, straddled him, & repeatedly punched his victim in the face.

Fearing he might suffer great bodily injury if the beating continued, the black man pulled out a concealed pistol from his belt & shot the Klansman dead.

BTW, the black man carried the pistol because he wasn’t a very good fighter & was otherwise defenseless against several Klan bullies that lived near him.

Murder or self-defense?

Should the black man be required to run away every time he saw any of the bullies approaching him?

vjordan46
vjordan46

MoFreedom;

What are your plans to make a change in your community. How you plan to assist in the fight to keep this type of situation from happening again. While I know that you agree with the outcome; however, what do you plan to do to keep other young men from losing their lives in the future. Just wondering.

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

A new Florida State University study has found that people that suffer blows to the head during fights suffer significant losses in IQ.

The findings are significant because decreases in IQ are associated with lower educational achievement and occupational performance, mental disorders, behavioral problems and even longevity, the researchers said.

"It's no surprise that being struck in the head results in negative repercussions, but the extent to which such injuries affect intelligence was quite surprising," said Joseph A. Schwartz, a doctoral student who conducted the study with Professor Kevin Beaver in FSU's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice.

vjordan46
vjordan46

Cosmos161;

I can show you a few; however, I truly hear what you are saying. My heart is surely broken over this, and I just wish there was something more than I can do, but since I can not, I will do my best to devote as much time as I can to making life a little better for the youth in society today.

devastor9999
devastor9999

www.theblaze.com/.../new-bloody-photos these are photos of zimmermans injuries look on the right side of his head notice the shape 


eedan0833
eedan0833

Zimmerman needs to lose his life! That's what I'm focused on.

vjordan46
vjordan46

Now that we have all the information about both individuals involved in this case, as a people on both sides of the fence, what are we going to do to make change. it is time to stop finger pointing, and start making productive changes for all youths in todays society. Is there anyone up to the challenge. Let's go out and make a difference for TM and all the youth in the world today because believe it or not, there is good and bad in the Hispanic, African American, and the Caucasian communities.

mirchick
mirchick

@ElroyWilson ...and THAT is the bottom line...but you just can't fix stupid. And these motherfu@kers are...stupid...then again, if Trayvon had been a white boy...GZ would have been the dirty spick who murdered a white boy armed with Skittles and Ice Tea...and would have been found guilty of murder...GZ was the whiter of the two, and we're talking about  a nation of cousin marrying hicks behind Zimmerman.  He'll get his...he will

TerryKeith
TerryKeith

@Northern Lights I also believe that the Asian dude who took pictures of the cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head put the cuts there and suggested that he do that. He will never come forward to admit that, because he was probably a victim of break-ins in that neighborhood, and most important he has made himself an accessory after the fact. 

KellyPayne
KellyPayne

@vjordan46  trayvon didn't start any fight. what did you think Zimmerman was gonna do wha=n he chose to get out of his truck to pursue? what did you think he was gonna do when he said "call me and i'll tell you where i'm at."if trayvon had started the fight which it wasn't much of a fight you use your fist not a gun. if he was getting beaten up like he cklaim he would have never had a chance to grab his gun he would have been to busy fighting back and trying to protect his head. And he would have never been in any condition to fire a gun. how did he get his gun while lying on his back getting beat up it was on his right rear hip if he was on his back he  would have been laying on it. His head was never repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk. he was never punched in the face 30-40 times. HE HAD NO BRUISING HE HAD NO BUSTED LIPS HE HAD NO BLACK EYES AND HIS NOSE WAS OBVIOUSLY NEVER BROKEN. TRAYVON HAD NO BRUISING OR SWELLING TO HIS FINGERS OR KNUCKLES AND NO ZIMMERMAN BLOOD OR DND ON HIS FINGERS OR UNDER HIS FINGER NAILS. HE HAD ONLY MINOR CUTS ON HIS HEAD A ROUND PUNCTURE WOUND AND AN INCH LONG CUT. THE BLOOD FROM THOSE WOUNDS FLOW TOWARD HIS FACE HE WAS LOOKING DOWN AT SOMETHING WHILE THEY WERE BLEEDING. HE DID NOT GET THOSE FROM A SIDEWALK. IT IS INTERESTING PEOPLE ARE SO WILLING TO BELIEVE THE LIES OF A MURDERER WHILE IGNORING EVIDENCE. WHEN TRAYVON STARTED SCREAMING HE SHOULD HAVE LET HIM GO. HE HAD N O RIGHT TO EVEN APPROACH HIM.THE ONLY ONE ACTING SUSPICIOUS WAS ZIMMERMAN UNLESS YOU THINK WATCHING AND FOLLOWING AND THEN CHASING AND STALKING A TEENAGE BOY IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR.ZIMMERMAN IS A LYING MURDERING BULLY WITH A HISTORY OF GOING OFF ON PEOPLE.INCLUDING CHASING 8 YEAR OLD BOYS HOME. I HOPE HE GETS HIS BEFORE HE GOES AFTER SOME OTHER KID.

ThyGeekGoddess
ThyGeekGoddess

@vjordan46because when 2+2=4 THAT many times... YOU might wanna check yourself and wonder why the answer comes out to 5 for you.

I worked in the avionics field and grew up in a social experiment neighborhood....one of your lame "great equalizers".  And if the kids weren't satisfied with shooting deer in the 60s, 70s, 80s when your bobble head sent poor white kids to HOWARD on my mother's survival benefits, I wouldn't be here dogpiling you morons.

They didn't need a little pisser neighborhood watch for my neighborhood.  The Washington Post was kind enough to put the flashing neon on our backs in 1964, a year before I was born.  OMG!  They're BREEEEEEDING!!!  

Well by then Dad had been sitting on a masters for 10 years and we had to put up with the little bigots they sent after us EVERY-FREAKIN' DAY!!  This will continue to BE a race issue as long as low-effort thinkers REFUSE to educate themselves to know better and quit blaming the VICTIMS.

So please STFU, sit down and listen when people are CAPPING at you!

Wake up and figure out who's hand is REALLY in your damned pocket.

I am monumentally SICK of you people pulling the same old playbook our of your a$$i to justify why your jacked up manipulations of the GP has to end.....killing off the national earning potential and boosting housing rates in the name of, whatever you people call a god these days.

http://www.upworthy.com/a-perspective-on-george-zimmerman-that-every-person-should-hear


MoFreedom
MoFreedom

@vjordan46 

We can all agree that the murders of MLK & JFK were tragic events.

I think the Hurricane's moniker fit him well.  Perhaps he straightened himself out later in life. And if he did, good for him.  But I also believe he used the system in order to escape the full consequences of his actions.  

But there are greater tragedies than one guy escaping the consequences of murder (unless you were a friend or family member of the victim, that is).  So, I'm not that upset about it.  That's called, "getting over it."  And that's a great life skill to acquire.

http://www.martinlutherking.org/hurricane1.html         

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/  

BTW, I don't believe in race.  I believe we're all members of the same race, with slight variations in color & other characteristics. I use the term AA, because it seems to be the politically correct terminology.  

But we're all AAs, so the term has little meaning for me.

http://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2013/08/02/who_were_genetic_adam_and_eve_106618.html

So, here's my non-racial advice for people.  Stay away from people & places prone to violence.  And "yes," statistics does play into the determination of that, because statistics is the most reliable method of decision making we have at present.  All sophisticated businesses develop their business models around statistics (e.g. sports figures are compensated based on their statistics).  

I know there are good people & bad people of all colors, but at present, those with darker colored skins have worse statistics.

When people with certain cultural identifications improve their statistics, they'll improve other people's regard of them.  

That's the big picture.  I know it's not fair to judge some by the actions of others.  But that's life.  And life's not fair.

On a smaller scale, people's dress, use of language, level of education, performance on the job, good social behaviors, etc. all help identify them as people who share core values & strategies with those seeking success & people that want to be good neighbors.  Regardless of color, it's not hard to spot quality & character.  So, while you may initially get prejudged, it's not that hard to step outside the mold.

And obey all laws & respect all people.

Other than that, I've got nothing.


 

TerryKeith
TerryKeith

@vjordan46 Many societies have risen and fallen without even knowing why they fell. The Nazis know why they fell, but white folk in America will not, because they think they have no room for improvement, and even have the audacity to believe that their presence in other people's lands have improved them. Once you get knocked down off your high horse it will be a sad day, because no help will you receive from anyone.... Not even God out of your arrogance while you are waxed with infidelity. In future societies the question will be, "What happened to the white folks"? The answer is already known... Because you think everyone else needs to improve except you.

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

As I pointed out before, I'd advise all white people to exercise extreme caution before using a firearm on an AA, because GZ's life was ruined by using one on TM, even though he was found innocent & wasn't white. 

For white people there are no good choices.  They can either get beaten senseless or killed in an attack or risk having their lives ruined if they choose to defend themselves with a firearm.

Probably the wisest thing for them to do is keep a safe distance & lock their doors if they see any AAs around.

If white people see someone suspicious in their neighborhoods, I'd tell them to hide inside their houses & wait for the police to come. (But do you suppose the suspicious guy will still be there when the police arrive, especially if he was on the move like TM was?  And if not, how fast do you suppose the police will respond the next time (keeping in mind the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" fable)?  

But if white people have to be out on the street, they should also carry pepper spray & taser guns.

But if a mugger, rapist, or burglar entered their house, I'd tell them it's probably okay to shoot them with a firearm (just not in the back).

As for young AA males, I'd tell them not to commit felony assault & battery on persons they don't like & if they beat down their victim, straddle him, continue punching him in the face, leaving him no other avenue of escape, the victim might shoot & kill them.

I'd tell everyone to consider that every other person is armed & dangerous.  That way people won't foolishly get into altercations they could avoid (like road rage incidents).

And I tell everyone that if they obey the laws, it makes it more difficult for the justice system (that I don't entirely trust) to get its hands of them. 

All those things should help.

JLiRD808
JLiRD808

@MoFreedom Sometimes I wake up in the morning and my cat has clawed my nose, cheek, forehead, etc, probably in an attempt to just climb over me. Maybe I should go see a doctor, bcz my wounds look pretty much the same as GZ's >:(

vjordan46
vjordan46

@eedan0833 

I know Mr/Ms. Eedan; but what good would that do but make you feel better for the moment; however, the problem with our young black male being killed still exist. What are some plans to make our world a better place to reside in. Our children are dying, and it is a very sad situation. As a society, we must do something to make it better besides killing off one another.

cosmos1051
cosmos1051

@vjordan46 Show me one "good" Caucasian and I will join the movement! Until then, I am standing my ground!

CarolParks
CarolParks

Vjordan46. Read my post above about Trayvon, & what his teacher, & school said.

CarolParks
CarolParks

Heard the news Queenjazze? Juror B29 said GZ got away with Murder. She's weak for giving in to the others.

CarolParks
CarolParks

Hey Queenjazze! Much Love & Respect! :-D

ThyGeekGoddess
ThyGeekGoddess

@MoFreedom@vjordan46believe in race!

You color blind people are RIDICULOUS!

If you keep being blind to us, Newtonian physics is applied and you will see ALL of our colors!

That mess only works when your side is enviable and you have something to brag about.

Don't

It's pathetic to presume we want to be drowned into that polluted mainstream you drown your own kids in!

...while failing to support a rewarding educational experience that teaches there's more to life than bread alone.

You're right...you've got nothing when you blind yourself to the simple facts of society.

After acing statistics, I had a nice long talk with my Chinese instructor and enlightened him to a few thousand things.  He was WISE enough to know when he was the teacher, and when he was the STUDENT!

So? What's YOUR problem?



TerryKeith
TerryKeith

@MoFreedom @vjordan46 Hope your students overcome the stupidity you teach them about statistics. We don't hear much about white on white crime in the media much, because that is not on their agenda yet the crime and investigation programs on The Discovery are 24/7 marathons about white on white crime! I'm suddenly happy to not be white and not live in your white fairy tale land.

ThyGeekGoddess
ThyGeekGoddess

@MoFreedom @vjordan46 WhatEVER, Spring Break.

At this point in the-same-thing-all-over-again...you still have the nerve to spew?  

The lowest form of useless, I've ever seen on the corporate plantation is a CEO.  You must do Yoga.  Do they pay you a lot to bend over like that?  

You don't see race?  You just look at women and dismiss her womanhood?  

Ooh!  Look, a BARGRAPH!  

FETCH!

OK, so what DO you see?  Did ya happen to see where the REST of your paycheck when before you started blaming 2/3rds of my geneology?  The other third is of the FORMER majority and that side KNOWS that's some ignorant BS.  They knew how to work and play well with the other two.  What's your problem? 

When you work for next to nothing, while letting your masters convince you it's actually worth something, Black people, women, and the rest of the scary brown people suffer because we have to march a step behind you.  Why?  Because you won't educate yourself OR get the hell out of the way.

But as soon as YOUR KIND get treated like MY KIND, you start freaking the hell out.  LOOK UP and find your problem because the lies YOU act on become OUR problem!

You've got your own problems.  They'll be resolved as soon as you grow a SPINE.  

Statistics my ass.  Step AWAY from the ENRON calculator before you hurt yourself.  

Ohhh, wait.  Don't tell me... YOU you still believe in Keynesian economics, affirmative action and Santa god's creationism!   

vjordan46
vjordan46

@MoFreedom @vjordan46 

it is sad to see your response to what I asked because you went around the world and back and still no answer at all to my question; however, what I see is you trying to support your beliefs and actions on false statistics sprinkled with your own opinion; however, since it is hard for you to answer the very question I ask you to answer, I will leave things as is; however, I will offer you a bit of advice, in life things happen to everyone, good, bad, and indifferent. When something happens, and it will, to you and yours, remember this very nonsense you have printed on this page, and take it in as an "life is just that way' moment, and move on with the decision rendered in the very situation you have to face. It is sad to see such a post; however, I can only respect you  beliefs because they are yours, and hope never in life ever to encounter you in any way shape form or fashion.

Be  blessed

V. Jordan

queenjazze
queenjazze

@CarolParks Just heard about B29..They needed you and I on that jury...I am kind of like an investigator with an open mind..there's two sides to a story, and then there's the truth...Them 'Bs' WERE COLD BLOODED TO LET zIMMERMAN OFF THE HOOK WITH TAKING THAT TEENAGER LIFE...I CAN'T GET READY FOR IT...I CAN'T BELIEVE THEM JURORS DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT 17 YEAR OLD LIFE..TRAYVON MARTIN, GOING TO THE 711..AND MURDERED AND DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHATTHIS GUY WAS ALL ABOUT..SOME NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHMAN..GEORGE..OH CALL HIM BY HIS NAME..DID YOU KNOW TRAYVON NAME ALL YOU 'Bs'? SORRY FOR CAPS...I'M STILL PISSED! 

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

@vjordan46 @MoFreedom

Films can dramatically alter the way people are viewed, making them cooler, more glamorous, more sympathetic — and the reverse. Clever filmmakers can offer up delicious soufflés of propaganda and storytelling, putting a new imprint on the historical record. ~ Maureen Dowd, NYT journalist 

JLiRD808
JLiRD808

@MoFreedom @JLiRD808 You've never been in a fight have u? I can guarantee u both victims in those videos had major contusions. The unconscious teacher would have a concussion, major or minor. The kid on the bus suffered a broken arm dude!!!

Do ur research man....

EbonyB
EbonyB

@JosephWinfield @MoFreedom   It really amazes me that some really try and convince themselves along with me that the big R word is dead. I am not familiar with the two names mentioned but I am going to look them up.  

chamonixbling
chamonixbling

@EbonyB @CarolParks  - -Right. My mother used to say: " we might get by with something for a long time, but when things reverse, you'll know it, feel it and sometimes those you've wrong get to see and know it, too" He's not in an enviable position

EbonyB
EbonyB

@CarolParks Hey Carol. Too bad yours and others prediction was correct.  NOT GUILTY.  Karma will take care of it though.  Maybe not as soon as we want .  But it will happen!!!

JosephWinfield
JosephWinfield

@MoFreedom WE ARE STILL JUDGE BY THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN, AND BY THE CLOTHES WE WEAR. WE DO NOT WEAR EURO AMERICANS CLOTHES. i TRUE aFRICAN aMERICAN DO NOT TIE A SWEATER AROUND OUR NECKS (caps) Trayvon martin was judged by his skin color, Jordan Davis was judged by his skin color, Marrisa Alexander was sentence by her skin color,...i can lst well over 100 people within the last three years judge by the color of their skin. DWB is by skin color. The Euro Americans still judge this way, and it needs to stop.

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

This video was made by a white man (obviously against the reactions of a few) & commented on by several white people with favorable views of the Meyers.  According to one of the neighbors, only 1% of the people were upset by the fact the Meyers moved into the neighborhood. 

This video was made approximately 3 years after Brown vrs. The Topeka Board of Education during a period (albeit a long one) of transition.

I haven't seen the view expressed by the 1% in this video for approximately 30 years.  Moreover,  the few people that were upset were more riled by  rumors that outsiders were trying to control their neighborhoods, than the fact the Meyers moved into their neighborhood.

When I grew up, "white flight" was a reality & mixed marriages were outlawed in many places. 

But now in many places, the reverse of white flight is taking place & mixed marriages are commonplace (although most are black men marrying white women, leaving many black women high & dry).

So, ThyGeekGoddess, you may be one of those the glass is always half-empty types.

Plus, Dems need your votes now, so you no longer need to be concerned about even the 1% that were opposed to the Meyers moving into their neighborhood.  That 1% will now accept AA families in exchange for their votes.

However, now that AAs are no longer being judged by the color of their skin, they are being judged by the contents of their characters.  But each AA is in control of his or her character & the decisions he or she makes.

 

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

@CarolParks

Here's what I said:  "Ebony & ivory, it's all the same," meaning blacks & whites are the same.

Yet, you tell me to shut up & go over to the Klan.  I'm sure there's some logic to what you said.  But it sure evades me.

Were you aware Dems disbanded the Klan?  Supposedly, they're encouraging people to be more tolerant & understanding now.  How's that going?

CarolParks
CarolParks

MoFreedom, why don't you Shut Up with your Garbage, & Lies. Go over to The Klan they are waiting for you. Stop upsetting such lovely people as Peggy.

CarolParks
CarolParks

Peggy70a, Yes you are right! And don't forget the Worst, most expensive crimes in America were by the Bankers, & Wall Street, ALL WHITE, & the Worst Thieves EVER! Whites love brainwashing people, just like Hitler. White people like me tell the truth, & that kills the whites who want to continue the Lies,& Injustice.

CarolParks
CarolParks

Peggy70A, please don't even talk to these people anymore. I hate to hear the pain in your posts, & it's because of these ######## on here. They are not worth your time. Like my Grandmother always told me, Consider The Source. It seems like our country has gone back in time, there is so many fools, & bigots in this country. It's a disgrace! They are Not Worth A hair on your head. They are low life white trash. Evil will always pay a price one day Peggy. Don't you worry, God will be the one they will have to answer to. I'm sending a prayer & a big hug for you!

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

@peggy70a @MoFreedom  

The whites you describe aren't going any place in society.   Many of them are either mentally ill or consumed by self-loathing & self-hatred.   They're not healthy, happy, human beings. 

And if they get caught, they're going to jail.

Think people that do the wrong things live happy, healthy lives?  They don't. They hate themselves.  And because of that self-hatred, they medicate themselves with alcohol & drugs to ease their pain.

Ebony & ivory, it's all the same.  Make the wrong choices, do the wrong things, follow the wrong path & eventually people (regardless of color) arrive at the same or similar places:  Hell, but until they die, their lives will be Hell on earth.

People have to live in the worlds they create (or allow).

peggy70a
peggy70a

@MoFreedomYour racism comes through loud and clear.  Where a white person will get probation or a slap on the wrist for the same crime  a  "Black youth/Man/Woman will go to jail or prison Get of the Bullhit that "Black  Americans"  commit more crime. I am so tried of hearing and reading those bullshit lies. Whites kill their entire families to collect insurance. Drown  their babies in bath tubes.  Strap their babies in car seats and send them into rivers. You are a liar who loves to tell untruth and start crap.  We all know  why there are more "Black" and Brown people in prison and jail and it sure is not because whites do not commit their fair share of crimes

MoFreedom
MoFreedom

@queenjazze@CarolParks 

What the TM brouhaha has demonstrated once more is that many in the AA community have no regard for the law. 

In days past, Jim Crow Democrats ignored our justice system & lynched blacks based on mere suspicions.  Whenever & wherever that happened, voices of reason from both the AA & white communities always screamed out in protest that everybody needed to respect our justice system & the rule of law. 

Now, many in the AA community have switched places with the Jim Crow lynch mobs. 

No, they’re not hanging anybody. But they’re showing complete & utter contempt for our justice system & the rule of law. 

Plus, the violence in many of the AA communities, the high crime rates in those communities, & the massive amounts of black men incarcerated for committing crimes are clear testament to the fact many AAs' have utter disrespect & open disregard for the law.

When people point this out, many in the AA communities scream & shout that the informants are a racists & issue fatwas to kill them. 

Yet--

1. The homicide rate among black youths is nearly 400% higher than the overall youth homicide rate;

2.The homicide rate among Hispanic youths is similar to the overall youth homicide rate; and

3.The homicide rate among white youths is 72% lower than the overall youth homicide rate.

CarolParks
CarolParks

Queenjazze, I feel ya on this one! I NEVER would have backed down, if it meant a hung jury so be it. This juror let everyone down, including herself. I don't call GZ by his name, but by what he is......MURDERER. Trayvon deserves all the Respect, as does his parents who were true examples of REAL CLASS. The Murderers family is Trash. All of them have serious problems, especially the brother, and Dad. I still say the Murderer will pay. You can't hide forever, & Karma is waiting.....for him.