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June 30, 2013

If Trayvon Martin Was Pounding Zimmerman MMA Style on the Dirt, Why Was Zimmerman’s Jacket So Clean?

If Trayvon Martin Was Pounding  Zimmerman MMA Style on the Dirt, Why Was Zimmerman’s Jacket So Clean?

by Yvette Carnell

In George Zimmerman’s murder trial, the defense is claiming that Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin because Zimmerman feared for his life. To support that claim, Zimmerman’s defense counsel maintains that 17 year old Trayvon Martin was slamming Zimmerman’s head into the concrete shortly before the fatal shooting. But does this align with evidence at the scene? As the trial continues, we should consider what we know about the evidence police gathered after the shooting occurred.

Firstly, let’s remember that no one has testified that they witnessed Trayvon Martin slamming George Zimmerman’s head into the concrete. The witness with the best view of the fight, Johnathan Good,  said only that he believed he saw someone with a dark shirt atop someone with a “red or white” shirt. But when the prosecution asked  Good if he saw anyone being attacked in the way the defense team characterized the beating,  Good responded by saying, “I couldn’t see that.”

But here’s a picture of Zimmerman’s jacket taken 45 minutes after he k!lled Trayvon Martin:

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Does this look like the jacket of man who was flat on his back on the grass and dirt, fighting for his life under the weight of 150 lb teenager?  Remember that Zimmerman claims that he sort of slid onto the grass to get his head off the concrete. Also, keep in mind that it was damp and rainy on the night in question. How’d Zimmerman escape the fight of his life without as much as a smudge on his jacket? And Zimmerman’s jeans were clean as well.

And here is a picture of Zimmerman’s nose minus the blood:

zimmermannos nose

Regarding Zimmerman’s head wound,  a doctor testified on Friday that the scalp is a very “vascular” area, meaning it has many veins and thus, bleeds easily.Those wounds in the back of Zimmerman’s head were not serious injuries. In fact, Zimmerman never suffered any serious injuries in what he and his defense counsel characterize as a life and death match.

If Zimmerman was fighting for his life on the night in question, the evidence sure doesn’t seem to support that. If Trayvon was using “Ground and Pound” MMA moves to punch Zimmerman in the face dozens of times, then why’d Zimmerman only get a bloody nose and a couple of cuts on the back of the head? And why was there only one minor injury to Trayvon Martin’s hand?

These are just a few of the questions we should keep in mind as the trial continues.

Update: Here are Trayvon Martin’s pants, with visible stains in the knee areas.

grass stains

 

 

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1,085 thoughts on “If Trayvon Martin Was Pounding Zimmerman MMA Style on the Dirt, Why Was Zimmerman’s Jacket So Clean?

  1. bwdn2008 says:

    It was George Zimmerman who was trained in Marshall Arts according to one of the witnesses. She testified last week that she saw him at the Gym training in MMA.

    1. BrentHavenShaw says:

      George was told not to pursue the youth…had he listened the young man would be alive today….Maybe he thought he was Charles Bronson in the movie Death Wish.  The problem is he was a wanna be cop who would not cut it…so he took his frustration out on a person whom he never met…Now that person is dead and he’s on trial…..Such a waste.

      1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        He was told no such thing.

        1. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          I watched the case, today. As Zimmerman recounted the incident with police, walking them through the neighborhood, he told the detective that the dispatcher asked are you following and he said yes. The dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that” to which he said OK. But he apparently continued to follow because he did not return to his car. It has been established in court from Zimmerman’s testimony that he followed and ran after Trayvon. Those facts are not up for debate anymore. But hey, whatever makes you feel good about your position. To each his own. 
          I hope the state, and others, have the sense to return to self defense laws that have been in place for generations and have kept society safe by establishing the rule the amount of force necessary rule. I worked in law enforcement and studied criminal justice for nearly two decades and earned two graduate degrees. What you are saying is poppycock.  
          Citing a broken, racist law does not make you knowledgeable. If the stand your ground defense was so strong, why did the defense waive the hearing? If you know law, you know the answer.

        2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee Oh please. There are more than two options. Following, returning to the car, or go to see an address.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell

          O’Mara asked whether Serino had any evidence that Zimmerman continued
          to follow Trayvon Martin after a non-emergency dispatcher told him not
          to.
          “I would answer I have information, yes,” Serino said. “Just
          based on where we located Trayvon and the fact that the altercation
          happened after the confrontation. That’s my interpretation. There was
          some following.”
          Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591978-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand-again-tuesday/

        4. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Zimmerman was going to look for an address in his own neighborhood? He’s that unfamiliar with the small community in which he lives?

        5. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Let me know when you know the numeric addresses of every house in your neighborhood

        6. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          And when asked if he adds substantive evidence, he said no. Serino thought that Martin had received the recommendation not to follow while he was still in his car, which was clearly wrong.

        7. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell 
          If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, the “stand your ground” law is irrelevant.

        8. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell 
          Whether Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher (which is debatable) is largely irrelevant. 
          Zimmerman said that he lost sight of Trayvon & was heading back to his SUV when he was attacked by Trayvon.  If that was the case, Zimmerman had the right to defend himself. And if he had a reasonable fear he might get seriously hurt, he had the right to use deadly force.

        9. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell 
          Ten minutes ago on The Lead (CNN), airing the Trayvon case, the prosecutor showed that Zimmerman wrote, ZIMMERMAN WROTE…are you following? Zimmerman wrote in his statement to police that “The dispatcher told me not to follow.” End of debate. His own written statement says he knew what the dispatcher said. Yet he ignored the advice and continued to follow.

        10. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell
          Wrong. He may have understood that, but the dispatcher said no such thing. They are not allowed to do that. And there is no place where he states he ignored the advice, or continued to follow.

        11. bwdn2008 says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell The Dispatcher clearly told Zimmerman, “We don’t need you to do that!” After he said he was following Trayvon. At no time was he told to follow Trayvon Martin!

        12. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          It only matters what Zimmerman said–that is all that matters. He knew he should not have followed and admitted that he interpreted the statement to mean “do not follow.” He wrote it in his statement to police and it is in the record for closing statements. 
          It is moot.

        13. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell I quoted to you earlier exactly what the dispatcher said to Zimmerman. If you’ve somehow misinterpreted that, then   tthere’s no conversation to be had.
          If you want want to believe that a kid with THC in his system, which relaxes, who was on the phone joking with his friend, while headed home to watch the All Star game with Skittles  and Iced tea, suddenly attacked a man who was following him, then there’s no reasoning with you, or your bias.

    2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      Lol. Aerobic exercise, mma style is not full contact fighting. He was definitely not a fighter and the gym owner said so. Called him soft.

      1. chamberslee says:

        JaimeAndresPretell 
        Well in pictures, Zimmerman was not soft. He was fit. The MMA reference is not to suggest he could win an amateur or pro fight. It is to show he was not some helpless accountant type nerd who could not protect himself in a fist fight. The pictures show that.

        1. DeborahWilson says:

          I’d beat Zimmerman’s ass if he came after me. Crazy, racist asshole approaches a young man because he’s walking down the street. They need to put his ass under the jail.

        2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee Oh? Let me know what pictures of him shirtless or in shorts and tshirt you have seen.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          DeborahWilson  
          And Trayvon & Rachel Jeantel like felt the same way as you feel.  
          One commentator I read thought Rachel told Trayvon he should give that $%#! cracker a beatdown he’d never forget. And that’s why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after he stopped surveilling Trayvon.

  2. MarletJones says:

    I was thinking the exact same thing. If he was being beaten where are the other injuries on his face? For example swollen lip, busted eye bruises he is white?

    1. bwdn2008 says:

      MarletJones Nor did he seek medical help. There are no medical records as to how severe the injuries were nor was he in the hospital.

      1. chamberslee says:

        bwdn2008 MarletJones 
        Exactly! The reason Zimmerman saw his PA was to get a doctor’s note to return to work. She asked if he wanted to see a specialist (Ear, Nose, Throat) to determine the severity of the nose injury and said no. He also refused the night of the shooting. I believe he refused because he knew the findings would have invalidated the story he concocted.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones 
          Mmmmm, no He didn’t have to seek medical help because he was examined by an emergency responder. He went the next day and got evaluated showing consistency with what he claimed. He chose to not go for an X-ray because of the high cost of the deductible. By the way, no injuries are needed for self defense. Just the threat of imminent possibility of such. The injuries are just extra evidence that the threat was there.

        2. LusciousDC says:

          JaimeAndresPretellchambersleebwdn2008MarletJones  “By the way, no injuries are needed for self defense. Just the threat of
          imminent possibility of such. The injuries are just extra evidence that
          the threat was there.”
          So you just pretty much made the case for self defense on the part of Trayvon Martin.  Because Zimmerman presented  himself in a way (stalking) that could make Trayvon think there was the possibility of injury from this unknown man following him.

        3. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones 
          The EMS provided basic treatment such as cleaning the areas. Zimmerman was asked by EMS if he wanted to seek future medical treatment at the hospital and he declined. And no, he was not evaluated. The medical report shows that the PA gave her opinion that she though his nose might be fractured and asked if he wanted to see a specialist–Ear, Nose , Throat doctor. He said no. The State has made this point in 2012 that Zimmerman only wanted a doctor’s note to return to work. If you had life threatening injuries, would you be concerned about the cost? I don’t think so.
          And you are partly wrong–the part that matters most. The amount of force a person uses must be no greater than the amount of force being used against the victim. For instance, if I pushed you, you cannot shot me dead and call it justified self defense–shooting is a disproportionate use of force. As many legal experts point out, Zimmerman has to show that any reasonable person would believe he actually feared for his life–a threat does not qualify. 
          If it does, then Trayvon is entitled to defend himself from the crazy person pursing him on a dark street as he walked home with a bag skittles and an iced tea. Would you agree, according to your theory?

        4. chamberslee says:

          LusciousDC JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones 
          You pretty much made the case for self defense for Trayvon: The imminent threat of possibility of being attacked and killed by a stranger pursuing in the rain on a dark street armed with a gun. Any reasonable person would be in fear under the same circumstances Trayvon found himself. His punching Zimmerman is self defense based on your logic. If it is good for one it has to be good for the other. You would not make a good lawyer with the argument you just put forth. It shows Trayvon as the person truly defending himself from a crazy wanner be cop chasing him on a dark street–armed with a loaded gun, one in the chamber.

        5. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          LusciousDC chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones 
          Self-Defense requires an imminent threat. Like a raised fist, gun or bat. Following is not enough.

        6. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Lol. No. The equal force standard only applies when you can retreat.

        7. taylortopp says:

          Jaime, I’m just curious. Do you truly believe this homicide was justified?

        8. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Poppycock! You are making the case for Trayvon, again. Based on your statement, the person has to be able to retreat. Lets go with that for a moment. Zimmerman could have retreated. He could have stayed in his car. He could have not followed Trayvon, which has been established in the trail from Zimmerman’s own words. When Trayvon ran away, he could have not run after him, which he said he did in his statement to police. In each of the situations, the person with the ability to retreat was Zimmerman. Trayvon was running away: HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON  TRYING TO RETREAT. But hey, he was a young black criminal armed with candy and tea so the white guy (white Latino) had the right to chase, initiate the entire incident, shoot a kid in the hart and claim self defense after being responsible for the entire incident. The black kid’s life is not valued in your eyes or the eyes of many white people who twist the issue to ignore the fact that the kid armed with candy and tea ran away while being chased by a wannabe cop with a load gun ready fire. But somehow his fear of a crazy person chasing him on a dark street does not give him the right to protect himself–and no one cares about a racist law that was enacted. Under sensible law, he is a murderer and nothing more.  
          It took the Martin family over a month of protesting to get the police to do its job. Had that been a white kid killed in the same manner by a black Zimmerman, I do not believe you would be so enthusiastic about the perpetrator being an innocent victim.
          And if you are quoting that racist stand your ground  law, it is a joke and the reason innocent people can be killed in Florida. And that goes for all races. It should be thrown out as a danger to public safety.

        9. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee Yawn, in all your nonsensical spouting, you have quoted no law. As an attorney, I find your diatribe amusing. Zimmerman couldn’t have retreated when mounted. There was no moment when Trayvon could not have retreated. Do you want the specific statute? 
          http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=776.012&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html
          Stand your ground is the one that states you have no duty to retreat. Standard self defense occurs when you can’t retreat. 
          http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/21/opinion/bellin-stand-your-ground-law

        10. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones And the emergency responder found, as did the medical examiner did today, that his injuries were insignificant. He had an inch cut to the  back of his head and a minor abrasion to his nose, none of which are life threatening.

        11. JaimeAndresPretell LusciousDC chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones  
          If we buy into this theory, then any guy who gets popped in the nose can claim he feared for his life. Low threshold… especially for those who instigate altercations.

        12. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          Jaime,
          That is exactly the point.  As a lawyer you find this amusing (you find the unnecessary death of a teen age boy amusing).  As do a lot of law makers, judges, politicians, etc.  Then when someone points out the injustice of murder you want to yawn and act like it is a boring annoyance because the laws, made by biased individuals to protect a certain class of people are totally unbalanced.  Be careful though because the scales may one day tip the other way in favor of true justice. I hope you are on the right side in case that ever happens.  You can site as many heinous examples of unjust justice that you want because as evidenced by the way that you are amused, you know what the deal is and so do a lot more people than you may want to believe.

        13. Pattycake RN says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell LusciousDC chamberslee bwdn2008 MarletJones 
          Yvette,
          No surprise, that is the way they want it.  Then they can pick and choose guilt or innocence at will.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

        14. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell 
          well said.

    2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      MarletJones 
      He had two black eyes and a swollen lip the next day.

      1. chamberslee says:

        JaimeAndresPretell MarletJones 
        Zimmerman did not have a swollen lip the next day. And the PA said his only reason for seeing her was to get a doctor’s note to return to work. She said he did not have serious injuries. He did not want to see an Ear, Nose,Throat doctor to verify a broken nose–it was never verified. 
        If I am followed on a dark street by a stranger whose mental health, emotional state and intentions I am not aware of, I am going to protect my self by fighting for my life. Does that make the crazy person who pursued me on a dark street the victim and me the attacker? If so, no one if safe on a dark Florida street because the crazy person has the right to do whatever and claim self defense.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MarletJones By the med the next day he had a swollen upper whatever the area between nose and lip is. He doesn’t need serious injuries. Just consistent with the attack described. You can argue emotionally all you want, but the law is clear. Only imminent threats are valid for self defense. Something like a raised fist or gun where you are about to be attacked. Following is not enough. That is the law. You may not like it, but it is what it is.

        2. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MarletJones 
          Again, I should be able to chase you or your loved ones down a dark street and you, according to your logic, should not be afraid. If you or your loved ones raised a fist to hit me, I can shoot you dead and go home and play video games with no worries because I defended myself against you–although I pursued you on a dark street. Is that right? Come on…you know better. You would shoot me before I could get close enough. The only problem with Trayvon is he was armed with candy and an iced tea. And was the one running away. But hey, those black people are dangerous. So although he was pursued and chased, somehow he was the bad guy–not the crazy wanna be cop with a loaded gun, two flashlights and an episode of COPs playing in his head. 
          Unbelievable.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MarletJones
          His injuries aren’t consistent with a serious attack. They were minor, and as the Dr. testified on Monday, the scalp is extremely vascular, meaning it bleeds easily. Zimmerman is exaggerating.. there really is no alternative explanation..

      2. MarletJones says:

        JaimeAndresPretell MarletJones I have spent  several hours looking for these pics you speak of. I found nothing supporting your comment no black eyes. Only nicks on back of head and scratch on nose

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Look up the testimony of the physician that saw him the next day. All evidence is not photographic

        2. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Medical records from Zimmerman’s medical provider show the injuries were not serious and that he refused seeing a specialist who could have verified his broken nose claim. In the video with the detectives, the officer told Zimmerman to get verification of his injuries from a medical provider. He still refused to get the verification that would have answered the question: Was his nose really broken and what else was going on. He refused. The picture shows what appear to be two scratches that were responsible for the blood on his face in the picture–not a broken nose, no bleeding from the nostrils.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee No need for the injuries to be serious. Just that they corroborate the claim of attack. They do.

        4. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee They don’t corroborate his claims. Zimmerman describes a death match, but his injuries don’t support that. As the medical examiner testified today, his head wounds don’t support his story that his head was ‘slammed’ into the concrete several times. And his nose doesn’t appear to have been punched several times.

        5. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          Jaime,
          Then was there a need for Trayvon’s injury to be fatal if George’s injuries from an altercation that he pursued were not serious?

        6. chamberslee says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          The medical examiner went as far to say Zimmerman’s head was not “slammed.” She said the minor injuries are not consistent with having his head slammed because the extent of his treatment were two band aids . She said there was “impact” but not a slamming of the head. She also told the defense that they had distorted the pictures by taken very closeups of the right side while trying to discuss the left side of the head. She asked why did they not use the full face shot that were available to them. She said it was not scientific and she would not make a medical opinion based on that.  
          She said the pictures of Zimmerman bloodied are misleading because any small scrapes or cuts will look more severe in a photo than there are. She said his nose was not broken because the swelling had almost disappeared shortly after the incident–it was going away, I think she said an hour or so after. Again, an indication that the injury to the nose was minor. 
          The defense tried to use the gravity theory as to where the blood went from Zimmerman’s nose. She said he would have swallowed and coughed up the blood.
          Zimmerman has been shown to be a lying. We get to hear from one of Zimmerman’s criminal justice instructors about the courses he took that could help him prepare a defense after he shot Trayvon. That is important because he might have studied the stand your ground law and knew how to fashion his story to meet the elements of the statue. It will be interesting to see.

        7. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Valerie Rao is a hired gun of Angela Corey’s. Shr also has a terrible track record. Finally, insignificant or not, they show an attack. Enough for an imminent threat.
          http://blogs.findlaw.com/california_case_law/2012/06/can-a-sidewalk-be-used-for-assault-with-a-deadly-weapon.html

        8. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          If there was a risk the next injury could be and he had no way to escape? Yes.
          http://blogs.findlaw.com/california_case_law/2012/06/can-a-sidewalk-be-used-for-assault-with-a-deadly-weapon.html

        9. JaimeAndresPretell Rao  is also right. You’re not going to find any Dr. or medical examiner willing to categorize  Zimmerman’s minor scrapes and abrasions as serious injuries. I had worse injuries when I fell of my bike at 7…

        10. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Yvette Carnell
          No one claimed they were major. Nor were they minor. A broken nose is not minor, and the first medical examiner who saw him in person, and is not an interested party, stated that his nose was broken. Furthermore, she stated that the abrasians arwe consistent with impact with cement. That is all that is needed. Threat of imminent harm. Not serious injury needed to defend.

  3. JasmineMayo says:

    Zimmerman’s is responsible for everything that went down that February 26 night..He should have introduced himself to the young man..Trayvon Martin..Zimmerman was so full of hatred, and should have been home making love to his wife..It was raining that night.. Why didn’t you leave Trayvon alone..You can’t bring his life back..The damaged is done and you need to pay for it…

  4. JaimeAndresPretell says:

    It was a synthetic jacket designed to repel water. He wasn’t on dirt, but on grass. Unless the grass is seeding, no reason for it to stain. And the picture is not 45 minutes after. More like 3 hours after.

    1. JaimeAndresPretell  If true, that still doesn’t explain why there was no grass stain on Zimmerman’s jeans, which don’t repel water. And the non-seeding grass you speak of stained Trayvon’s Martin’s pants, just not Zimmerman’s.

      1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Yvette Carnell

        Please show where there are grass stains on Martin’s jeans other than possibly the knees. (High pressure in a concentrated area. It is why high heeled shoes go deeper into the ground than a flat shoe). Again, unless you can show the grass was seeding, there would be no stains And unless there is a high pressure point that would be able to break grass or to reach dirt underneath, no staining. This is also why you can lay on a bed of nails, but you can’t stand on one.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell I updated the post with a pic of Trayvon Martin’s pants, which had visible grass and dirt stains in the knee area.

        2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Yvette Carnell
          Yep, as I suspected. In the knee area. It is like high heels. You concentrate a lot of weight in a small surface area.

        3. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          There is an essay titled “How to Say Nothing in 500 Words” and you nailed it. Absolute poppycock!

        4. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee Yvette Carnell 
          Translation: you can’t argue the points so you fall back on puerile words like poppycock.

        5. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Yvette Carnell 
          Poppycock is the right response for the point you made.

        6. JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell No your initial statement was that if the grass is not seeding, it doesn’t stain. That’s not true, especially on wet grass when a man is on your back and you are  in a fight for his your life, with a 150 pound teen atop him.
          Zimmerman is extremely clean, with no dirt on his clothing and no scarring on his hands, for a man who says he was engaged in a virtual death match.

        7. JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell And Trayvon only had a small injury to his finger. All of this goes against the case Zimmerman is trying to make, that he feared for his life at the time he shot Trayvon.

        8. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          I have been in fights with no bruising on my knuckles. That proves nothing. All that is needed is that Zimmerman was mounted and that Martin hit him. Ben raising his hand to throw a punch would have been enough. The wounds are just extra evidence.

        9. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          I have had sex in the grass and it didn’t stain my clothing. Guess what. Your claim is pure speculation. There is no evidence that he would have absolutely had stains.

        10. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Were you in a fight for you life where you felt at one moment you were going to die? Any police worth his or her badge will tell you there should be defensive wounds on the victim in any altercation were a person is fighting for his or her life. Period.

        11. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          You are comparing having sex on the grass to a person who said he was fighting for his life in wet grass and MUD and DIRT? I am officially done–no more responses to you because it is a waste of my time and yours. Good day.

        12. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee
          Actually, I have, and your claim is pure speculation. People can wrestle and leave no wounds. So can a person defending themselves from an attack. My fiance just survived an attempted murder by her ex-husband. He choked her and pistol whipped her. She struggled for her life and fleed. Guess what. The mother fucker had no bruising. And if she had a gun of her own, I wish she had shot him dead.

        13. JaimeAndresPretell Have you been in a fight where you feared for your life, where the other person hit your face “dozens” of times, and left with no bruising to their knuckles?

        14. JaimeAndresPretell Was you struggling to avoid a beating from your 150 lb girlfriend, who was overpowering you MMA style? Was it raining?

        15. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          No, but my fiancé was. But I am wasting too much time here. Just watch the acquittal and remember I am smiling at you.

        16. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Yvette Carnell 
          Poppycock, because unless you have all of the evidence yourself (not just what you have seen so far in the media), you can’t either.  And being an attorney and pseudo scientist, you should know that evidence can be withheld for various reasons.  That is why I also believe a lot of it is poppycock for the simple fact that everyone knows or should know that George initiated the encounter as evidenced by his phone call to the police when he was told to back off.  In other words,  Trayvon wasn’t even thinking about George and was on the phone with his friend.  Those are the facts that should count.  George had a gun and was on the hunt like it was hunting season.  Try denying those fact.  These little grass stain comments and who was on top comments should really be irrelevant because even if Trayvon was on top beating the crap out of George, he was fighting for his life, aka self defense, stand your ground, etc., etc.  All of this other mess is just away to deflect the real issue which is trying to justify George walking away or getting a lesser sentence.  So why don’t you just call up all your buddies and start planning you little ice cream party right now?  You know that is probably what you want to do.

        17. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Jaime,
          Were you in a fight when you were having sex.  In that case, were there grass stains on your azz or her/his?  Did you measure by the square inch?  Did you do the scientific research on that?  Were there any witnesses to the sex/fight in the grass?  You seem to know a lot about these types of incidences.  Why do you have so much intimate knowledge of these types of crimes.  It seems that you may be hiding a few crucial facts.  Please continue to share so that we may speculate on some of these things as well.  Can we get some of these things televised on Court TV or something so that we can be judge and jury as well, just to see how it might feel having a little bit of power.  To see if it is true that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

        18. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          Jaime,
          And yet you seem to be convicting Trayvon for trying to defend himself, after saying that about your fiancé defending herself.  Do you see how you are totally skewed?

        19. JaimeAndresPretell I don’t doubt that there will be an acquittal, and you’re evidence of why that will happen. In your mind, there’s nothing that could be used to paint Zimmerman as the aggressor, even though he was the man with the gun who pursued Trayvon. And I’m sure you’ll be smiling.. from what I’ve seen here, that’s just the kind of guy you are. You and you fiance should keep an eye out for that Kharma…

        20. JaimeAndresPretell  And I’m certain that it pains you to know that your fiance was pistol whipped almost murdered due to no fault of her own. Gosh. Wonder what that feels like? Shocker how that pain you felt for her isn’t used to aid you in  empathizing with Trayvon’s parents, loved ones, etc. Here you are… smiling. Such a sick irony.

        21. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          As of today, it has been established that Zimmerman’s stories are inconsistent. Zimmerman said Trayvon came from behind a bush but prosecutors showed there were no bushes in the area where Zimmerman said Trayvon jumped him. The female officer said she questioned whether a person as tall as Trayvon was able to hide behind any bush she saw in the area. Using Zimmerman’s own words in an audio and video recording, prosecutors confirmed Zimmerman was following Trayvon and that Zimmerman ran after Trayvon. The lead detective said Zimmerman did not return to his car after the dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that. He based that on the location where the shooting took place. Another lie. 
          As you pointed out, following is not against the law but it undermines the stand your ground law and actually gives Trayvon the right to defend himself. Legal experts following the case have pointed this out. 
          The medical expert was firm in her assessment that Zimmerman’s injuries were so minor that the treatment only required two band aids. She also found that the injuries were not consistent with Zimmerman’s story. She also called out the defense for trying to manipulate Zimmerman’s photos and stopped the defense from trying make up medical or terms that sounded scientific to describe his injuries.  
          Although injuries are not needed to fear for your life, legal experts point out that shooting someone because you were punched and hit your head on the sidewalk does no justify shooting an unarmed person who had tried to run away from you. When Trayvon ran, that suggested he feared for his life. The fact that he ran away has been proven by Zimmerman’s own words that he ran after him.That point has been made in the case.
          The prosecutor also showed the impossibility of Trayvon holding Zimmerman’s mouth with one hand and his nose with the other hand while pounding Zimmerman MMA style. It was not possible. Try at home. You would need 4 hands: two to hold his mouth and nose and two to pound him MMA style. 
          Zimmerman said he only got out of the car to look for a street sign but there are only 3 streets in the complex and Zimmerman lives there and is the neighborhood watch person. And he was on the main street in the complex and there was an address on the building directly in front of where he said he was.  
          Zimmerman said he spread Trayvon’s arms out to his side after he shot him, but the picture showed to the jury shows Trayvon’s hands are underneath him as he lay on the ground. How did the dead person repositioned his hands–you know…because he is dead. 
          The lead detective said he would not have stopped or approach Trayvon because he was not doing anything illegal and they was enough suspicious behavior to want Zimmerman approaching Trayvon.
          Juries are human and they respond to emotion as well as facts and they ignore facts at times because of emotions. Trayvon’s mother will be key and autopsy testimony will be interesting as well. 
          Lawyers who are familiar with Florida law are saying that if there is not enough for the second degree murder charge, manslaughter has already been met because Zimmerman followed, confronted and set the entire set of events in motion. A person is dead because of his actions and the jury could settle on manslaughter because the elements have already been met, which is a 25 years sentence in Florida and that came from Judge Alex, a former police, lawyer and judge in Florida who was speaking on FOX. According to judge Alex, manslaughter carries 25 years in this case because Trayvon was a child, not an adult, a child. 
          So, I am still hopeful Zimmerman will be held accountable for his reckless, irresponsible actions that caused the death of a child.

        22. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Simple. No injuries of any type on Martin. Martin was the one mounting. Spare me the emotional diatribe.

        23. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Maybe Karma caught up with Martin. He was no angel. And he chose to pick a fight with the wrong guy.

        24. mirchick says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Hmmmm, wow…pure speculation…spare us your horror stories regarding your fiance’s poor choice of men…  as if we’re NOW convinced that your point is valid.  The only thing I’m convinced of here is that you’re a last word freak who always thinks he’s right.   Neighborhood Watch persons are forbidden to pack heat…oh, that’s right…GZ was a “self appointed” watchman. When “advised” not to pursue, he chose not to listen…exercising poor judgement,(’cause he was on the hunt) and an unarmed kid wound up dead.  End of story.  The rest is smoke blown up your bottom, which you eagerly assume the position to accept.  Go for it.  Got any kids?  Just keep praying for their safe return home every night, cause it can happen to anyone.

        25. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell
          Zimmerman wasn’t in pursuit of Trayvon. He was surveilling him to see if he might attempt a burglary or engage in other crime.
          That’s what neighborhood watch persons do.
          As it was, Trayvon was off the sidewalk, walking close to houses, and the police found a burglary tool in the bushes near where Trayvon’s body was found.
          School officials also found a burglary tool & some women’s jewelry among Trayvon’s things at school .

        26. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          MoFreedom
          There are plenty of times when criminals will commit crimes while talking to others over the phone like nothing is happening. Just another day at work. That is the problem with ear witnesses, they don’t really know everything that is happening. They only have a small percentage they can describe.

        27. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell MoFreedom 
          Please explain how Trayvon put one hand over Zimmerman’s mouth, one hand over his nose, slammed his head into the sidewalk, punched him 20 times in the face and talked on the phone–all at once? That is what you are implying, that a person can commit a crime while on the phone. The lead detective said Trayvon was not committing a crime and that Zimmerman should not have stopped him. He said, as a police officer, he would not have  stopped Trayvon because he was not doing anything criminal. 
          You come up with anything, does not have to make sense, as long as it allows you to maintain this pretense that Zimmerman is a truth teller. As on legal expert said, today, Zimmerman’s mouth is his worst enemy. According to the expert, and I missed this part in court, 24 hours after the shooting, Zimmerman  said the voice screaming for help did not sound like his own voice. That is a strange thing to say, but I am sure that does not matter to you. No other facts have mattered.

        28. mirchick says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell Surveilling?  Stalking.  Real deal Neighborhood watch people DON’T PACK HEAT!  He was a self appointed wannabe….FACT.  Don’t talk to me about walking too close to houses and bull$hit tales of burglary tools fool…To quote someone who has NOT got s#it for brains…” You can’t be the AGGRESSOR and say that you’re standing your ground.  You can’t PURSUE a person  and then claim  you are protecting yourself”   Trayvon’s father.

        29. mirchick says:

          JaimeAndresPretell MoFreedom You got that right,  JaimeAndredsPretell, George Zimmerman was on the phone with the  911 when he stalked (just like an animal) and murdered an unarmed 17 year old boy who belonged in said gated community.

        30. mirchick says:

          JaimeAndresPretell MoFreedom That’s right…and Zimmerman committed murder while talking to dispatch on the 911

    2. AlanCarter says:

      JaimeAndresPretell Just nonsense!

    3. RahimOmajeMaat says:

      JaimeAndresPretell 
      Yvette crushed your bubble!!

    4. JaimeAndresPretell And they do not REPEL weather. I own several. Give it up. lmbo

      1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        AuthorBlkCoffee
        Nice try. No, they repel water. And water on top evaporates fast. Good try though.

  5. chamberslee says:

    Reading the statements Zimmerman gave to police, he said he not only slid but squirmed–while on his back with Trayvon sitting atop him–to get to away from the sidewalk. Again, no dirt, mud or grass stains on his jacket or paints. Equally questionable, there was no dirt on Zimmerman’s hands or under his nails. That seems impossible based on Zimmerman’s statements. I am interested to hear the defense explain why this is not a problem for Zimmerman’s self defense claim.

    1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      chamberslee 
      Squirming does not add any extra pressure to break grass such that it would stain. In seeding grass it would definitely be a factor, but no one has mentioned that this was seeding grass. THe squirming would account for the lateral scrape on the head though.

      1. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee On a rainy night, squirming in the grass under a the weight of a 150 lb teen does not add “extra pressure”?

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          It’s called weight diffusion. It is why you spread yourself wide when you are walking on ice. You distribute weight over a larger area and there is less pressure per individual area. Even if some of Martin’s weight was on him (most would have been on his knees to maintain position), it would not be enough to change pattern of distribution.

        2. JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell chamberslee That’s untrue. I have seeding grass, 50 yards in each direction of my home. My sons play football on it and IT DOES leave grass stains.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          AuthorBlkCoffeeYvette Carnell chamberslee PLEASE SHOW EVIDENCE THE GRASS IN THIS CASE WAS SEEDING GRASS.

        4. JaimeAndresPretell
          Weight distribution does not account for absolutely no stains on Zimmerman’s jeans OR jacket on that rainy night. That is explained, however, if Zimmerman was only on the ground for a moment, as opposed to squirming under the weight of a 150lb Trayvon as he was being being beaten. That would also explain Zimmerman’s clean hands and the small abrasion on the back of his head.

        5. JaimeAndresPretell AuthorBlkCoffee Yvette Carnell chamberslee I’ve never made the case of seeding vs. non-seeding. In my experience, all grass stains depending on your interaction with it i.e. , how long you’re in it and the intensity of the interaction. You entered this seeding vs. non-seeding angle into the conversation.

        6. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Unfortunately for you, an eyewitness shows that at least one person was on the ground for more than your claim of a few seconds. And Traybon Martin has nothing on this back in there. But the eyewitness did identify the person on the bottom as having a red top

        7. JaimeAndresPretell No, witness Jonathan Good, the closest eyewitness to the fight, wasn’t out there for long. He screamed for them to break it up, then called 911. He says he saw Trayvon atop Zimmerman, but never witnessed Zimmerman’s head being slammed into the ground shortly before Trayvon was fatally shot.

        8. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Trayvon had a right to “Stand His Ground.”  Before the encounter, Trayvon was running.  George initiated this encounter.  He was profiling and on the hunt.  He stated that it was all a part of god’s plan. He feels he has the right to be judge, jury and executioner.  Deny the facts if you please but don’t try to act like you believe your own false beliefs.  You know what the truth is and that is why you will voraciously defend George at all costs, to continue to promote the lies.

        9. JaimeAndresPretell If he’d stayed in his car and not stalked that kid, Trayvon wouldn’t had to protect himself. #BAM

        10. Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell Exactly! And if a stranger follows me for more than 5 minutes, I’d be thinking, “protect myself”. And surely wouldn’t want them to know where I lived. So i’d never go to my door. I’d try to lose them. Which is what I feel Trayvon was trying to do. Zimmerman should’ve followed police instructions and not followed Trayvon. Trayvon was only left with the option of “Standing his ground.” Which was Zimmerman’s plan. He came with his pistol, OFF SAFETY. He wasn’t in fear for his life. He would’ve never followed and KEPT following, if he was afraid. He was HUNTING. That what he was doing.

        11. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          AuthorBlkCoffee Yvette Carnell
          Sorry you are unfamiliar with the law. If someone follows you for 1000 minutes, you still only have two options. Confront the person, call the cops. If you confront them, you can only do it verbally. And they can only respond verbally. If either throws a punch, they become the aggressor. As of now, there is no evidence that Zimmerman threw the first punch. And Zimmerman is the one on trial. Innocent till proven guilty. Following, does not establish grounds for self defence. Imminent harm does.

      2. chamberslee says:

        JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
        Get a camera. The next time it rains, lie down in the mud and grass and squirm  and slide for 30 seconds.  Post the picture of your jacket and jeans. Wait a minute…that is straight poppycock. Do not worry about the experiment.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee First strawman, no evidence of mud. Now go buy a synthetic jacket and squirm on non seeding grass. Then get back to me.

        2. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          I guess his jeans were synthetic, also. Please…

        3. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee I just did.

        4. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Where there is dirt and rain, there is mud. Look at Trayvon’s pants again. You see a mix of brown and green.

        5. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette CarnellJaimeAndresPretellchamberslee
          Eye witnesses have both men on the ground.  Are you disputing their
          testimony?   The one straddling the other would likely have grass stains
          on their knees.  
          The eye witness report of Trayvon straddling Zimmerman & pummeling him is consistent with the grass stains on the knees on Trayvon’s pants. 
          Plus, how do you explain the cuts on the back of Zimmerman’s head.  I played contact sports throughout my life, plus fought from 2nd grade through college.  And I never got any cuts like that on the back of my head. 
          Plus, as I pointed out above, guys that fight in the UFC often emerge with few cuts (oftentimes none) or marks on their faces despite being blasted in the face with  
          knees, heavy punches, & kicks.

      3. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Then why want they mention why Zimmerman had no stains. Also, the defense said, Trayvon had grass stains on his knees, trying to prove Zimmerman millionth lie. Lol

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          AuthorBlkCoffeechamberslee Sorry you can’t deal with a concept as simple as pressure per square inch.

        2. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell AuthorBlkCoffee chamberslee 
          lol James…are you inspector gadget?  Per square inch?  Seriously?  Did you do some type of undercover laboratory experiment in top secret to prove your square inch theory.  I have a question for you.  Exactly how many fibers are in one square inch?  That ought to keep you busy for awhile trying to prove some ridiculous scientific theory that is completely besides the point.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell AuthorBlkCoffee chamberslee No just your excuses are sorry. And they’d be same as ours, if Zimmerman was the person dead.

    2. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      chamberslee 
      If he is trying to push off Martin his hands are not digging into the grass. Scooting just means moving your butt and shoulders. Not pulling yourself with your hands.

      1. chamberslee says:

        JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
        Again, poppycock. His hands have to be in the dirt and grass at some point. It is not possible to avoid having his hands in the dirt and mud when fighting for his life. And not using hands to slide and squirm seems unlikely.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee
          LOL, No they didn’t. But keep on convincing yourself of that.  There is a reason why prosecuting attorneys have never mentioned your foolish theories. Because they can’t prove them.

        2. mirchick says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee You know, Jaime…bottom line…this self appointed hero shouldn’t have been following the victim. He was predatory. Trayvon was scared cause some guy was following him…he was running in fear and now this guy is CHASING him…if Trayvon DID turn and clock him…he stood HIS ground…for good reason.  You just have this obvious thing with the black/white issue.  I’d bet my bottom dollar that if Trayvon was white, you’d be saying with all of your pompousness that Zimmerman was  the spick that hunted down a poor white kid and murdered him.

        3. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          mirchickchamberslee Bottom line, it is not illegal to follow a suspect while reporting what they see to the police. That does not entitle a person to attack them. Until someone can show that Zimmerman actually initiated contact, there is no evidence showing he was legally to blame.

        4. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          James,
          You probably don’t need to try so hard to prove your point since George may eventually walk besides the proof anyway.  So you might as well stop trying to justify the injustices in this country because most people know that money, power and rigging talk.  I guess you are on here trying to make yourself feel less guilty for believing that a young teenage boy deserved to get murdered for WWB…Walking While Black.

        5. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell mirchick chamberslee 
          Jaime,
          They have also established that Trayvon was not a suspect.  Suspect for what?  For minding his business on his way to see his stepmother?  That is my point about Black people being profiled and hunted down.  He was a suspect merely for being  Black and unwanted by haters who feel that they have the right to tell Black people where they are allowed to be.  When George called the police, he never established that Trayvon was doing anything illegal.  If George would have not approached him, none of this would have happened.  And now a young man is dead and George doesn’t regret a thing?  As a matter of fact, I even saw him smiling in court.  Yep, it’s a plan alright, that is one thing that he said that I can truly believe.  Especially when that investigator started to try change his testimony in favor of George.  Since you claim to be an Attorney, you should know all about the plan, I guess that is why you are trying to ignore the evidence.

        6. JaimeAndresPretell mirchick chamberslee It is when you’re told not too.

      2. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee If he was beating Zimmerman to that extent, Martin would’ve had Zimmerman’s DNA on the cuff of his hoodie and/or under his fingernails, but none was found. Is that also explained by weight distribution?

        1. JaimeAndresPretellAs I just mentioned above, other people, with more experience than me, and probably you, disagree about what DNA should’ve been on Martin at the crime scene …

          “Unless Trayvon Martin was wearing gloves and a bonnet, it would
          normally be expected that there would be some evidence of him on the
          garment,” said Kendall Coffey, former U.S. attorney for the Southern
          District of Florida.

        2. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Also Jaime, since you say you are a lawyer, you should know full well about evidence tampering.  Now could that be possible?  Could it be possible that George purposely banged his head after the fact?  Scientifically speaking that is.  Maybe you could speculate on that for awhile, I am sure you will try to come up with some quasi intelligent, pseudo-scientific rebuttal.  Good luck with your research.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          What are you suggesting Trayvon was doing when he straddled Zimmerman on the grass without touching him?

  6. Jannel82Baby says:

    That is my main issue with what Zimmerman did, it is the fact that Zimmerman left the safety of his truck… I believe that that should play a major part in how the case is handled… Plus, the fact that Zimmerman is clean from head to toe is another huge factor, I do not care how impossible it was for his jacket to get dirty, his pants should be dirty… With your feet digging into the ground, your body moving along the ground, and two large males struggling for dominance in a violent manner… Zimmerman should have traces of dirty or mud on him… If a person has to be held accountable for their actions, Zimmerman deserves to go to jail for murder, because his actions of disregarding specific directions to stay put… Resulted in him having to use a gun against an unarmed teenager…

    1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      Jannel82Baby 
      1. No law requires him to stay in his car. 2. No evidence to show that a struggle ensued to establish a dominant position. His claim is that he got punched and got mounted quite quickly. The burden of proof is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is impossible.

      1. Pattycake RN says:

        JaimeAndresPretell Jannel82Baby 
        If Zimmerman walks despite all of the evidence, some may say that “they always get away with it.”  But I’m sure some with your views will celebrate by indulging in a few ice cream cones.  I hope you all don’t choke on it.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Look up Roderick Scott and Christopher Cervini. I guess the innocent do get away with it.

        2. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          Name as many as you want because statistics will show who has a better chance of getting away with something and who has a better chance of getting convicted.  Since you want to talk about science or statistics.

      2. ready4reel says:

        JaimeAndresPretell Jannel82Baby It’s fine, if they don’t find the proof, just know that although it seems like he’ll get away with it, rest assured he’s not! Trust and believe

    2. MoFreedom says:

      Jannel82Baby  
      Actually, if you look at the stains on Trayvon’s pants, you’ll notice they’re not that visible.

      1. chamberslee says:

        MoFreedom Jannel82Baby 
        OK, where is the grass on Zimmerman’s pants? I will take barely visible.

        1. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Jannel82Baby  
          Eye witnesses have both men on the ground.  Are you disputing their testimony?   The one straddling the other would likely have grass stains on their knees.

        2. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Jannel82Baby 
          There is no dispute about the fight and Trayvon being on top. See, Zimmerman supporters ignore the part I and legal experts continue to focus on: Did George have a legitimate claim to self the defense. Forget all of the sideshow distractions. 
          If Zimmerman lied about where the fight took place, that is a problem for his defense claim. If he ran after Trayvon after being advised not to do so, that is a problem for his claim. 
          If he is seen as lying, that is a problem. It might not get him convicted on second degree murder but manslaughter is possible. In Florida, if the judge feels the state has meet the elements for a manslaughter charge, she can direct the jury to consider it along with second degree murder. The standard of proof is less that than what is required in a murder charge. That is why showing Zimmerman’s actions and reckless behavior initiated the entire set of events is important. Manslaughter is at stake.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Jannel82Baby 
          All Zimmerman had to do was turn around & take one step in the direction of his car to make his statement that he had lost sight of Trayvon & given up his surveillance accurate.

        4. MoFreedom says:

          Unfortunately, the prosecutor charged Zimmerman with second degree murder.  It’s my understanding that if that charge doesn’t stick, Zimmerman walks.

        5. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Jannel82Baby 
          This is the last time. The lead detective who recommended arresting and charging Zimmerman with manslaughter used logic and empirical knowledge and experience to conclude Zimmerman was lying about not following Trayvon. 
          Since you could not overcome the facts, you changed the argument. Now you are speculating and coming up with a theory that is moot. Lets say your theory is correct. Zimmerman turned around, took one step as he was headed back to his car and lost sight of  Trayvon. Trayvon came out of nowhere and hit Zimmerman, knocking him to the ground. Where should we expect to find the Trayvon’s  dead body? Near Zimmerman’s car, right? 
          If he did not follow Trayvon but Trayvon actually came to Zimmerman as Zimmerman returned to his car, again, the body should have been located near Zimmerman’s car. Here is the problem.
          The body was not found where it should have been based on Zimmerman’s story. You cannot accept this fact because you choose to believe the story that the state has already shown to be a lie–and the lead detective confirmed it. The defense could not overcome this fact in cross examination. 
          In addition, if Trayvon hit Zimmerman seconds after he got of the phone with the dispatcher, why do phone records show Trayvon was on the phone with his friend for more than two more minutes. According to you and Zimmerman, Trayvon should have been dead for more than a minute and not on the phone–as he was. 
          I will use the following analogy to show how out of touch you are. Everyone knows the world is round. It has been proven, a moot point. But you continue to believe the world is flat and that one can fall off if one travels to far to the edge. You believe this because you refuse to accept the facts before you and read, objectively, all of the information with an open mind. The world is round and should allow yourself t see this fact. 
          Your first mistake is that you believe everything Zimmerman said, the man trying to stay out of prison. He has been proven a liar but you do not care, as long as he is found innocent because a young black person losing his life means nothing you. And you probably donated to his defense fund and are financial and personally invested.  How sad.  
          Nothing changes the fact that the body was not found where it should have been if Zimmerman was telling the truth–conclusion from the lead detective who took Zimmerman to the site and had him walk through the events and tell what happened and how it happened. 
          The losing sight argument is moot because the body was not were it should have been indicating that Zimmerman was lying–again.

        6. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom 
          Stop relying on your understanding and watch the case  and the analysis by the legal experts. Florida law allows the judge to instruct the jury to consider an additional charge if the elements where met. Judge Alex was a Florida judge for years and said that is likely to happen if the judge concludes the elements of the crime have been met. 
          If the judge does not instruct the jury and the jury finds not guilty on the second degree charge, he is free of the criminal charge. The next step will be a civil case where evidence the standard is the preponderance of the evidence, not a reasonable doubt. So the family will probably when quite easily and receive monetary damages. He will not walk in to the sunset.

  7. BrentHavenShaw says:

    I find myself being drawn to this case because i have a son, and for someone to follow this youngman because he states “He looks suspicious” what does that look like.  We can’t all be judged by a one man jury who had a history of saying, “They always get away”.  I say this to say why isn’t anyone asking or questioning where are the grass stains and dirt on the back of Zimmerman’s jacket. It is totally impossible to be rolling in wet grass and his Jacket on the back has no stains.  He stated ” Travon had him pinned to the ground but his clothes tell the story” Of course if they are fighting both men should be dirty with grass stains.  I also heard one of the witness say zimmerman was trying to give him CPR when he arrived on the scene, but how so if the police came and Travon was face down. As for his best friend who is testifying on his behalf, all i have to say is “Zimmerman stayed with him after the shooting they spoke about this incident from beginning to end. Their story should always collaborate and why not right a book about it.”  He saw his chance to use his friend to write a book as long as he backed up Zimmermans character. Cha-Ching. Quid Pro Quo.  I hope Travon’s parents sue the writer.

  8. JaimeAndresPretell says:

    BornToBeWild63 
    Nice speculation. Too bad DNA on a rainy day is very hard to retain, and no evidence that all fights result in stains. Ooops, too bad your speculation isn’t relative to court proceedings.

    1. JaimeAndresPretellBornToBeWild63There’s a good deal of disagreement about that. From a Washington Post article:

      “Unless Trayvon Martin was wearing gloves and a bonnet, it would
      normally be expected that there would be some evidence of him on the
      garment,” said Kendall Coffey, former U.S. attorney for the Southern
      District of Florida.

      1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        We Attorney’s have more opinions than the sheets on a toilet Paper roll. Look for DNA expert opinions.

      2. JaimeAndresPretell I’m sure that’s coming… but I don’t recall it having been introduced yet.
        No one is disputing that there was a fight. The ferocity of the fight is what’s at issue. The injuries to Trayvon’s hands and Zimmerman’s face don’t indicate that this was anything more than a run of the mill fistfight, one that Zimmerman appears to have instigated by profiling, then stalking Trayvon. On a dark and damp night, Trayvon had a right to stand his ground when being followed by a suspicious man…. first behind the wheel, then on foot.

      3. Pattycake RN says:

        JaimeAndresPretell 
        Jaime,
        I am guessing you are on this blog to keep a check on this community to make sure some of us don’t get any ideas about being treated fairly in this country.  Am I close?  If not, please explain because I don’t think many people on here feel that you are here in the interest of equal rights.

      4. chamberslee says:

        JaimeAndresPretell 
        For the most part, lawyers are bottom feeders and you are the best example. You excuse everything Zimmerman did that caused the death of an innocent kid. If he had not run after a kid on a dark street while he was in possession of a loaded gun, he and Trayvon would have never met. I have asked thousands on several posts if they would have done anything differently while be chased by a stranger on a dark street and one person tried to explain that he would have a conversation and sat down for a drink or something. You know, poppycock.  The reality is that six women on a jury understand the need to defend oneself. I believe they can come to the conclusion that of course he hit Zimmerman because he was fighting for his life and standing his ground that he lost to a coward. Trayvon ran away and Zimmerman ran after him. What would be going through your mind as you try to get away from what must seem like a crazy guy? Would you be afraid that the guy chasing after you might want to hurt you? If you could not get away because the crazy person is looking for you, might you punch him to get away? 
        Why would the kid who ran away from a stranger on a dark street turn around, come back to the crazy guy and circle his car, run away again and then reappear when all he was armed with was a phone, candy and an iced tea? That is the kind of nonsense that has been discredited in this case. It never happened that way.
        The jury may come to that conclusion or they may not, but at least I am on the right side of the issue for the right reason: justice. What is your reason?

      5. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Blah, blah, blah. Lots of emotional diatribe with little facts.I am on the right side because the facts say so. There is no evidence Zim started the confrontation. And plenty of people run and then attack. He could have felt punked. Didn’t like being followed, etc. bottom line: following alone is not against the law.

      6. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Hmmm…. Brown vs Board of education. Landmark anti segregation case. Referenced a similar Latino case in Cali. Part of the Civil Rights Struggle. One people like MLK died for seeking integration, not separate but equal. What is more integrated than a mixed child? Both Zim and I are Afrodescendants, Latinos and products of integration. But when accused of killing a black teenager, he is tarred and feathered in the public media, made to be White, and framed in a way that any Black man would have not. See Rodderick Scott and Cristopher Cervini. This is not equal treatment. This is self righteousness and a self sense of entitlement over any other that is not perceived as Black based on abuses of the past which those others did not commit. The facts of the case do not add up to the criminal charges proffered. Equality? It took a year to seek to prosecute Zimmerman. Where were similar protests for the 5 year wait in the prosecutions of the murderers of Jan Pietrzak and Kiana Jenkins? The hypocrisy astounds me. Don’t preach to me of equal rights while you try to scape goat a person of mixed heritage.

      7. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Yvette Carnell, neither an imminent threat. All he had a right to do was confront Z verbally, or call the cops. Nothing else. The moment he threw a punch, and mounted Z, he opened the door for Z to shoot him.

      8. MoFreedom says:

        Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell BornToBeWild63 
        The grass stains on Trayvon’s pants in the knee area is consistent with the witnesses reports that Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman MMA style while pounding on him.  Moreover, Trayvon’s knuckles were abraded & police found a burglary tool nearby.  School officials found a similar tool & jewelry in his locker at school.

      9. Pattycake RN says:

        JaimeAndresPretell 
        @Jaime,
        Well look at you.  You claim to be impartial.  But you seem to be defending others based on mixed heritage or being Latino?  Yet you are accusing the Black community of being biased?  For what reason, other than the fact that you and Zim are Afrodescendants, Latinos and a product of mixed integration are you speaking up about equality?  Is it because you feel that you need to defend your kind?  Isn’t that a little hypocritical since you are claiming that Blacks should not be preaching to you about Equal Rights?  As far as I am concerned, you can demand Equal Rights for your kind as much as you want, just don’t try to stop me from doing the same.  Being that Trayvon was killed for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, I think that he is the one that was the scape goat.  So don’t come on here hating on Black folks for standing up against this type of injustice against yet another Black individual.

      10. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Pattycake RN
        Try again.  I actually was supporting TM until the evidence started pointing otherwise. I don’t choose sides based on ancestry.  But what I don’t like is when  people bandwagon based on ethnic affiliation instead of blind facts.

      11. Pattycake RN says:

        JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
        Jaime,
        You don’t like when people bandwagon?  How many times did you reference Black people?  Black people do this, Black people do that, Black people claim victimhood.  It sounds like you are mad or jealous of Black people for being treated badly.  I don’t have to rationalize victimhood.  Making someone a victim is nothing rational.  You either are a victim of a perpetrator or you aren’t.  What’s to rationalize?

      12. ready4reel says:

        JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN There is nothing ethnic about this case but that a white/hispanic wannabe cop shot and killed an un-armed teenager, and looks like he’s gonna get away with it.

      13. ready4reel says:

        JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN I do believe Zimms will pay one way or another. Trust that!

      14. MoFreedom says:

        ready4reelJaimeAndresPretellPattycake RN 
        Trayvon took 40 minutes to walk less than 1/2 mile from the 7-11.  Was he casing the neighborhood, or just looking like he was?
        At any rate, it was enough to arouse Zimmerman’s suspicions & make him decide to watch Trayvon.  
        Had Trayvon gone home that might have been the end of things.

  9. You said, “he was told no such thing”. That assertion was wrong. …

    1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

      No, it wasnt

      1. JaimeAndresPretell Yes, it was. The dispatcher told him not to follow.. that fact isn’t disputed by anyone, except you. You are a person who is willing to believe that a teen on his way back from a convenience store was suddenly and inexplicably the aggressor, while the guy with the gun who followed the teen, who said “these..f— always get away”,  who’d called 911 dozens of times, was the stable and even tempered gentleman. Your characterization just doesn’t fit what we know about Zimmerman. At all. It only fits if you have a belief that black teens have a predisposition toward violence, even while they’re on the phone joking with a friend about the would -be rapist who is following them.

        1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Yvette Carnell ” We don’t need you to do that” does not equal: “Stop following.”  No matter how your deluded mind wants to claim that.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell
          Trayvon Martin & Rachel
          Jeantel may’ve been influenced by the gangster culture that rap music has
          helped spawn in black communities.
          Trayvon’s pictures & texts
          would suggest as much.
          One commentor I read even thought
          Rachel may’ve encouraged Trayvon to give that creepy white ass &#$%! rapist
          cracker (i.e., Zimmerman) a beat down he’d never forget.

        3. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Jaime,
          When you put “we don’t need you to do that” into the context of the conversation then what does it equal?  That’s the problem with a lot of you and your legal dogma, you take semantics to an unparalleled level.

        4. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell 
          MoFreedom,
          While you are at it, don’t forget to examine George’s vigilante mentality.  He applied to be a police officer and was obviously turned down.  Could it be that he flunked a psyche evaluation?  He requested to take rides in police vehicles while in pursuit of crimes.  He was pumped up and high on the prospect of taking people down and locking them up.  Anyone can see that he is a profiler, based on your assessment, you might be one as well.  Just because someone listens to gangster rap, doesn’t mean that they are a gangster and his friend made that suggestion maybe she was being sarcastic but also thought he had a right to defend himself.  I hear Rock n’ Roll lyrics all the time that talk about Satanic rituals.  What does that mean?

        5. MoFreedom says:

          Pattycake RN JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          If I have someone over for dinner and after dinner, my guest takes their dishes to the sink & starts to rinse them off and I say, “You don’t need to do that,” is that a command to stop?

        6. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Actually those are two different circumstances.  The dinner host is a lay person in a non-emergency situation.  The dispatcher telling George that “you don’t need to do that” was a response to George asking about how he should approach a situation which could have and did lead to dire circumstances.  What you are suggesting is that someone makes a conclusion about that statement based on semantics or perception when we all know what George’s perception was by the mere fact that he ignored professional advice.  It does not take a genius to figure out what the dispatcher was saying to him.  It only takes someone who wants to pick apart every word to make it turn out in George’s favor to question what was meant.

        7. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Dispatcher: Are you following him?
          Zimmerman: Yes.
          Dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that 
          Zimmerman: OK
          Funny how Zimmerman knew the dispatcher  meant for him to stop following Trayvon because he said OK indicating he would stop. He later lied in a taped and video deposition that he stopped following and was returning to his car when Trayvon attacked him. The lead detective said Zimmerman had to have followed Trayvon based on where he was shot. 
          It has been confirmed by Zimmerman’s statements and the lead police detective that not only did Zimmerman continued to follow, he began chasing Trayvon.
          What is your interpretation since you said the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon? Did it mean follow him if you want? Did it mean do whatever you choose; it is OK with me? 
          You pick and choose which posts to answer and skip the ones that are a problem for you.  Answer this, please.

        8. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Zimmerman also testified that he lost sight of Trayvon and was headed back to he SUV when Trayvon attacked him.

        9. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          The dispatcher may’ve been covering his behind, because if he told Zimmerman to follow Trayvon & Zimmerman got hurt as a result, the police department would likely have gotten sued & the dispatcher fired.
          And Zimmerman saying “OK” doesn’t signify that he understood he was being told to stop following him as you suggest.

        10. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell 
          See, you prove my point about how race is lived in America. There is no such thing as gangster rap. That is something the media made up.The vast majority of rappers do not live the lifestyle they rap about–it is entertainment, business. For example, 50 cents does not drink, smoke or hangout. He is a homebody, but his music would suggest otherwise. It is entertainment, given the customer what they want.
          Also, if you do a quick search, you would learn that middle class white kids are the largest consumers of rap music or what you call gangster rap. They also sag their paints, have have tattoos . White middle class youth smoke more marijuana than big urban black  youth do. If fact, a new report shows what has been known to blacks all along, that blacks use drugs the least out of all racial and ethnic groups–whites use drugs the most. The media has you fooled. You don’t know what you think you know. 
          Try, again.

        11. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Bill Clinton once said “It depends on what your definition if is is” when he was lying about having sex with Monica. Of course he and everyone else knew what the definition of is is, as you know the dispatcher was advising Zimmerman not to follow. As I said, no logic required because it is not about the facts of the case but about deep rooted ideologies based on race.

        12. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          If he did not understand the dispatcher, explain why he lied to police and said he stopped following Trayvon after the dispatcher advised him? That point has been established in court from Zimmerman’s audio and video statements. 
          If he did not understand, why did he say he stopped following Trayvon–which is an indication he understood and followed the dispatcher’s advice. 
          If he did not know understand, why not ask for clarity instead of saying OK and then saying he stopped following Trayvon. 
          Answer ALL the questions I posed, please.

        13. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          @Chamberslee,
          I think he may need a little time to come back with some distorted information to make himself look unbiased and intelligent.  Why do his type spend so much time trying to cover up the obvious like we are all going to fall for the okey doke.  Mo Freedom, while you are making up answers to Chamberslee’s question please answer that one as well.

        14. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          No one has yet given any conclusive evidence that he didn’t stop following on the advice of the dispatcher. So your question is flawed because it is based on an assumption.

        15. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell
          There is no such thing as race. But there are those who try to emulate what they think their race should act like.  White people aren’t the only people that stereotype Blacks. So do many Blacks. Maany claim some are authentically Black or acting White, etc.  I remember a little girl named Sahara, who was raised by her White mother, but had a Black father. She ran away from home in a rural area, to go to the worst parts of Illinois, seeking the ‘authentic’ Black experience.  She ended up raped and killed.  There is no authentic official Black experience. Any experience a Black person has will be authentic because they are Black.  But many Black kids are being sold a bill of goods, by stuff like Gangsta Rap (that the entertaners don’t even live) but that young kids do seek to emulate. And many end in jail pursuing that fantasy.  Yes, there is discrimination. But if you also engage in crime, the cances are that an already biased system will snag you that much faster.

        16. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Pattycake RN MoFreedom Yvette Carnell LOL. Try bad credit.  But nice try.  Trayvon also has a history. He like to do fights like MMA, even with rounds. He wanted to buy an illegal gun.  He was found doing illegal drugs, and was found with a ton of unexplained jewelry.  Don’t paint him as an angel who couldn’t decide to start a fight.

        17. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          Jaime,
          You just made my point.  The system is already biased.  Who runs the biased system?  So why are you on here trying to blame Blacks who have been thrown into the mix?  Trying to blame the victim?  Trying to blame Trayvon?

        18. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell
          Never thought of that. Rachel was no stranger to considering violence herself. She had a gun purchased by her mother and talked about guns with Trayvon. She claims she told Martin to run, but that is only her word. She could have as easily told him to man up and beat up the dude.

        19. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          Jaime,
          Well maybe he pooped in his diaper after he was potty trained too.  Why don’t you add that to your list as to why he deserved to die for going to visit his stepmother.

        20. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Pattycake RNMoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          You can say the exact same for Zimmerman.  No, Martin died because he started a fight with someone he didn’t know was armed. That is why you don’t start fights. You call the cops.

        21. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          Jaime,
          Don’t try to act like you don’t know what was being said on the phone call to the dispatcher.  You know full well that George was in pursuit.  If not, there would not even be a trial at this time.  Ya know he was told to back off.  For someone who is so well traveled you seem to have some extreme limitations like living in a little microcosm of your own little fantasy world.

        22. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          If Trayvon died for starting a fight then why does his past history have to be brought into this to try to profile him as some hardened criminal just because he may have had a few fights.  You had sex/fights didn’t you?  Did anyone pull a gun on you and shoot you?  When Trayvon had a couple of fist fights, as most kids do, did he pull a gun on anybody?  If Trayvon knew George had a gun would he have even been starting a fight with him?  But George knew he had a gun which gave him incentive to instigate with Trayvon.  Come out of your little microcosmic bubble before it bursts and you wind up in the grass with stains on your azz.

        23. JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Now you’re toying around with semantics? “We don’t need you” means that’s not necessary. Had Zimmerman listened, he’d be at home right now.
          Will he get off? Probably, but that’s largely because he was over-charged… should’ve been charged with manslaughter. It won’t be a vindication when he’s acquitted, just a sign of prosecutorial ineptitude.

        24. MoFreedom says:

          chambersleeMoFreedomPattycake RNJaimeAndresPretellYvette Carnell 
          Wow, chamberslee!  You’ve got some deep seeded prejudices based on race in you.

        25. MoFreedom says:

          chambersleeMoFreedomYvette CarnellJaimeAndresPretell 
          The black rappin’ millionaires are livin’ large, with little regard for the consequences.  
          They gives the peoples what they want & the peoples gives them their money & adulation.

          I agree that the middle class white kids get off on it & are truly pathetic.  But the most violence, crimes, & deaths come from inner city blacks.  
          And I’m not criticizing.  I’m just pointing out that inner city blacks have the most to gain from cultural change.
          As Albert Einstein pointed out, it’s insane to keep doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.

        26. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          I watched live and the prosecutor said Zimmerman was following Trayvon from his own statements and the defense did not object. On cross, the defense asked the lead detective, you do believe Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon and he said NO. The defense asked why do you say that. He responded that the location where Trayvon was shot and where Zimmerman said he stopped following indicates he continued to follow when advised not to. Now I know you do not need facts to come to your conclusion. I will leave it there and not go down this conversation. again.

        27. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
          Of course race is a social construct. That is undergrad 101. We live in reality, however, where the notion of race is real and can result in negative consequences for people of color. It affects jobs, promotions, the quality of healthcare and education, and even affects where one lives. If a white neighborhood becomes 10 percent black or higher, whites have a crisis, a meltdown and white flight ensues. They fear their property value will decline and crime will increase. It does not matter if all the black people moving into the community are college graduates with well paying professional jobs similar to theirs. The feeling is that all blacks are the same because those negative images on TV is the only thing they know about black people because their true interaction with black people is limited.
          Another example, when a white person is not excepted at a university, the conclusion is that some black person took my place–because there is no way a black person can be smarter than me or as prepared and capable. It is the way some white people think. They treat affirmative action, for example, as a noun, as though affirmative action took the test, wrote the papers, did the presentations and so forth. That type of thinking is what makes up white supremacy ideology.  
          Forget the semantics, skin color has been used to oppress people of color and is still used, today. Post WWII, the federal government created subsidies to encourage people to move out of city to what it called the suburbs. The low interest loans made it possible for home ownership for many white families. Blacks were left out because laws prevented them from living among whites. Whites built wealth through home ownership while fewer blacks had an opportunity.  That wealth was passed down to generations of white family members while blacks continued to fall behind.  As more whites moved out of cities, blacks were left behind in communities that had lost much of their social and financial influence. Then came redlining where blacks were pushed into poor areas of the city. And gentrification is live and well today. 
          People talk about slavery but there were many laws pasted and practices incorporated post-antebellum that kept many components of slavery up until the 1960s: Jim Crow, sharecropping, segregation, sundown laws, black codes, redlining, antivoting laws, overt discrimination that limited a black person’s employment and career opportunities and so on. These practices and laws ensured blacks would still be available to serve white people as domestics and porters. All based on the color of a person’s skin.  
          This is the history your schools did not teach you and you do not care to learn.

        28. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell
          Of course race is a social construct. That is undergrad 101. We live in reality, however, where the notion of race is real and can result in negative consequences for people of color. It affects jobs, promotions, the quality of healthcare and education, and even affects where one lives. If a white neighborhood becomes 10 percent black or higher, whites have a crisis, a meltdown and white flight ensues. They fear their property value will decline and crime will increase. It does not matter if all the black people moving into the community are college graduates with well paying professional jobs similar to theirs. The feeling is that all blacks are the same because those negative images on TV is the only thing they know about black people because their true interaction with black people is limited.
          Another example, when a white person is not excepted at a university, the conclusion is that some black person took my place–because there is no way a black person can be smarter than me or as prepared and capable. It is the way some white people think. They treat affirmative action, for example, as a noun, as though affirmative action took the test, wrote the papers, did the presentations and so forth. That type of thinking is what makes up white supremacy ideology.  
          Forget the semantics, skin color has been used to oppress people of color and is still used, today. Post WWII, the federal government created subsidies to encourage people to move out of city to what it called the suburbs. The low interest loans made it possible for home ownership for many white families. Blacks were left out because laws prevented them from living among whites. Whites built wealth through home ownership while fewer blacks had an opportunity.  That wealth was passed down to generations of white family members while blacks continued to fall behind.  As more whites moved out of cities, blacks were left behind in communities that had lost much of their social and financial influence. Then came redlining where blacks were pushed into poor areas of the city. And gentrification is live and well today. 
          People talk about slavery but there were many laws pasted and practices incorporated post-antebellum that kept many components of slavery up until the 1960s: Jim Crow, sharecropping, segregation, sundown laws, black codes, redlining, antivoting laws, overt discrimination that limited a black person’s employment and career opportunities and so on. These practices and laws ensured blacks would still be available to serve white people as domestics and porters. All based on the color of a person’s skin.  
          This is the history your schools did not teach you and you do not care to learn.

        29. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Yvette Carnell JaimeAndresPretell 
          I am a criminologist so I do not pull my own facts out of the air. I actually state facts. Fact, the vast majority of mass murderers in America are white and nearly ALL mass murders committed in the 21 century have been committed by white males. Fact, the typical serial killer is a  white male who probably lives in the suburbs and is invisible to you because you are too focused on people of color as the typical criminal. Fact, according to all federal data collected by agencies that view crime rates, whites are the typical criminals. They use drugs more than any other racial or ethnic group in America. Granted, young black males tend to commit more black on black violent crime, not white on black crime. In other words, the typical victim in urban communities is black–not white. Fact, only 5 to 10 percent of residents in urban communities commit crime. That means 90 to 95 percent are law abiding citizens. The ones who do commit crime happen to be habitual violators and the media tends to focus more on the negatives of black communities than the positives which gives a slanted and mythical view of black communities.  Fact, the largest amount of welfare goes to white people and corporations. Yes, white people and corporations. 
          Music has nothing to do with crime. You might not like it and that is fine–I am partial to anything 80s and Jazz–but it has nothing to do with crime. Marijuana has nothing to do with crime–Reefer Madness was a joke from nearly 100 years ago. It does not cause rage, anger psychosis. If one smoked enough of it (and mean a ton), and found weed with the right configuration (seeds, steams, buds, male verses female plant and so) there could be a psychedelic effect which would lessen the chance of a violent episode (I am also a registered addiction specialist). Unless you considered eating everything insight violent. 
          Cite something, give ONE FACT that has been cited by reputable sources. One. Please.

        30. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell MoFreedom Yvette Carnell  
          And that’s important evidence.  But from your experience do fights stand still or do they tend to move?  In the octogon, the space is caged in.  Yet, there is a lot of movement within the caged space. Without the cage & ring of fans, the fight might move all over the place.

        31. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Your attempted comparison does not work. First, MMA is an arranged competition between two people who meet in an octagon to fight under a set of rules. The two fighters know of each other and some have an intimate knowledge of each other. Second, they move in a controlled area but they also stall on the mat and do not move much at all. 
          If you are trying to say the fight between Zimmerman and Trayvon moved from the area Zimmerman said he was in when he got off the phone with the dispatcher, your theory fails miserably.
          Zimmerman said in recorded depositions that once he got of the phone with the dispatcher, a couple of seconds later, Trayvon hit him and he fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him. He said he slid and squirmed about 8 inches  to get off the sidewalk. A few seconds later, he shot Trayvon.  
          In addition, the prosecutor showed that once Zimmerman ended the phone call with the dispatcher, it took more than 2 minutes before Trayvon’s phone called with his friend ended and the altercation began.  
          As the lead detective said, and he was no friend of the prosecutor, Zimmerman followed Trayvon because there was no way he could have not followed based on where the shooting occurred. In other words, if the had not followed Trayvon, the fight and shooting would have occurred where he said he was when he got off the phone with dispatcher–not where Trayvons’ body was found.
          To sum it up, Zimmerman’s own statements that he had followed and his lie that he had not followed, phone records of Trayvon talking to his friend for an additional 2 minutes after Zimmerman got of the phone with the dispatcher and the lead detective confirming that from Zimmerman’s statements and the location of the shooting, Zimmerman was lying.  
          As I said, it is established that Zimmerman followed. You can choose not to accept it and continue to come up other theories. For the juries purpose, that part is resolved. 
          Finally, If Zimmerman did not understand that the dispatcher was advising him not to follow, why did he lie in some of his statements that he had not followed after the dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that? His words. He said he did not follow and only got out of the car to find an address. But he actually followed and said so before saying he not before saying, again, he had followed. Lies.Period.  This was also pointed out by legal experts who where in the courtroom.

        32. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Exactly! His statement of facts do not hold up. The lead detective who interviewed Zimmerman for 4 days said to the defense that Zimmerman followed Trayvon based on where the body was and the statement that he was returning to his car. The detective said it was impossible that he could have been where he said he was and end up shooting Trayvon in the location where the body was found. The defense had no luck getting the detective change his statements. Then there are statements were Zimmerman admitted he was following Trayvon–his own words.
          The problem is that you are so willing to believe Zimmerman that you are not willing to accept anything–even Zimmerman’s own statements–that indicates he has told quite a few lies about what happened. This has been established in court thus far.
          On Fox, he said he did not know anything about the stand-your-ground law. Yet, he learned about it in a criminal justice class earning an A in the class. Do you see that as a lie or lapse in memory?

        33. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell  
          You could be right.  But the lead detective was not at the scene when the events occurred.  Plus, his statement is his opinion, not fact. 
          Regardless, of where the fight occurred, Zimmerman may’ve lost sight of Trayvon (witnesses said you could barely see 5 feet in front of you that night because of the darkness & rain) & taken a step in the direction of his SUV.

        34. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell  
          If people heard & remembered everything said in a classroom, then I suppose Rachel Jeantel would’ve been able to read cursive writing.

        35. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          It is the detective’s opinion based on mathematical fact, distance and time–empirical knowledge. If I said someone attacked me at 49th Street and I shot him, but the body was found at 56th Street, I am lying because there is no way I could have been attacked at 49th Street and shot the person a few seconds later if the body was found somewhere else. It is an opinion in the sense that the officer was not there. It is not an empty guess, however. The detective does not need to be there for the facts to hold up. This is what homicide detectives do all the time: fill in the gaps because the dead cannot talk and the living lie. He is a seasoned professional and no friend of the prosecution. The detective stated this fact to the defense unequivocally.   
          The other fact is that Zimmerman said in multiple statements he followed and even ran after Trayvon, which is consistent with the fight taking place where the body was found, not where he said it happened. His own words are used against him. He is a talker and talked to police for 4 days after the shooting. His words. 
          Then there is the timeline using Trayvon and Zimmerman’s phone records. Zimmerman said he got off the phone and shortly after was approached and punched and knocked to the ground. The problem is that Trayvon remained on the phone with his friend for over 2 minutes after Zimmerman got off the phone. If Trayvon hit Zimmerman a few seconds after Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher, why was Trayvon still on the phone for more than 2 minutes? 
          Zimmerman has shown himself to be a liar. Maya Angelou said, “If a person shows you who their are, believe them.”  Zimmerman said in an interview on FOX that he did not know anything  about the stand-your-ground law. It turns out he not only knew about it, he was one of the best students in his class where the military lawyer thought it. The professor wanted his students to be able to apply the law in a practical sense.  
          So why would you look beyond all the red flags in his stories, ignore the facts and try to find alternative theories that make no sense.

        36. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Yvette Carnell 
          Of course people do not remember everything said in the classroom. The mind does not work that way. And one does not need to remember everything said in the classroom to be knowledgeable about a specific topic. 
           Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer. He would have found the course more interesting and exciting than students taking it for an elective or extra credit. He got an A in the  course and the professor said he was one of his best students. If we use your stated logic, anyone can get an A  if he or she sits class and keeps his or here eyes open–don’t read, don’t write, don’t join discussions, don’t conduct research and submit papers, don’t do presentations–don’t do anything. That is illogical. He got an A because he is passionate about criminal justice and becoming a police officer. 
          As for Rachel, your statement is not relevant and probably tells more about you than it does about Zimmerman or Rachel.

        37. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell Pattycake RN 
          You all killing me. NO way am I responding to twenty thousand posts on monday. Please, if you are addressing my post, put me in the @ section, but not to each other. I really do like giving people respect by responding when I am addressed, but you guys have way too much time to argue with each other. If you have something specific for me, please include me. But don’t CC me on every damn post. Thank You.

        38. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Yvette Carnell Pattycake RN 
          Come on, don’t leave. We really like proving you wrong. Come back, Shane!

    2. MoFreedom says:

      Yvette Carnell
      Under questioning Monday, Noffke (the dispatcher) said he didn’t order Zimmerman to stay put because dispatchers are only supposed to make suggestions for liability reasons.

      1. chamberslee says:

        MoFreedom Yvette Carnell 
        Zimmerman’s written statement has rendered this part of the discussion moot: He wrote in a statement to police, “The dispatcher asked me not to follow.” This was introduced into evidence and part the argument used by the state when asking the judge not the grant the defense an acquittal. Zimmerman knew what the dispatcher meant and it is proven in his own words to police. 
        The judge said the state had shown sufficient evidence to have the case go forward. 
        If I told you the berries are poisoned, you not eat them. Mind you, I did not tell you not to eat them, but you understood what I meant and showed it by not eating the berries.

        1. MoFreedom says:

          chambersleeMoFreedomYvette Carnell 
          Under
          questioning Monday, Noffke (the dispatcher) said he didn’t order
          Zimmerman to stay put because dispatchers are only supposed to make
          suggestions for liability reasons.
          Plus, it’s irrelevant that Zimmerman continued to surveille Trayvon after the dispatcher told him he didn’t have to do that.    What’s important is that Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon & started back to his SUV.  That’s when Trayvon (perhaps at the instigation of Rachel Jeantel) attacked Zimmerman.

        2. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Yvette Carnell 
          Zimmerman’s statement to police that the dispatcher told him not to follow is the only statement that matters to the jury. It indicates he knew not to follow and did so anyway. 
          The dispatcher cannot use definitive language to  tell a person what to do or not to do. He can advise and leave it up to the person to decide  his actions. But that does not matter now because Zimmerman understood he should not have followed and said so in a police report. 
          Reasonable people know this, but you are not reasonable and will never accept this fact because you are not objective.

        3. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Yvette Carnell You sound as out of it as Zimmerman. If there was no merit to the charges, the Judge would have thrown the case out. I heard the Dispatcher tell George, “You don’t need to do that!” in reference to him following Trayvon. Who are you George’s Brother, Daddy, or Cousin?

        4. chamberslee says:

          bwdn2008 MoFreedom chamberslee Yvette Carnell 
          And Zimmerman wrote in the police statement that the dispatcher told him not to follow Trayvon and he said he stopped following at that moment. The statement shows he understood what the dispatcher meant and knew he was wrong for continuing to following so he lied and said he stopped. The location of the body shows he did not stop following–it would have been impossible.
          The police statement said Zimmerman said he turned around to walk back to his car and lost track of Trayvon. He said he was 100 feet from the car when he was punched, but the body was not found there. He said he fell to the ground when when punched so Trayvon should have been found there: 100 feet from where Zimmerman was parked. 
          And then there is the 2 minute gap in time shown by the phone record. If Zimmerman was knocked to the ground a few second after getting off the phone with the dispatcher, why do phone records show Trayvon was still on the phone two minutes after Zimmerman said his head was being slammed into the concrete and his mouth and nose were covered, he was being punched 20 times or more and Trayvon was trying to take his gun? Oh, and some on this post suggest Trayvon could have done all of that while talking on the phone. He would have needed six sets of hands.
          It is impossible to cover your nose with one hand, cover your mouth with the other hand  and punch you–even one punch would be impossible. Oh, I and somehow I am holding you down. I would have to have another set of hands to try and go for your gun while covering your mouth and nose with my only two hands. Just continue adding hands until you cover everything Zimmerman said happened. 
          Zimmerman is shown to be a liar.

  10. JaimeAndresPretell says:

    Class of individuals? Last I checked Jim Crow also affected people of mixed heritage. When did Black identified become holier than other Afrodescendants? Yeah, I know, one drop rule only when convenient. That is why many people of mixed ancestry refuse to identify as Black just as much as they refuse to identify as White. You both are hypocrites.

    1. Pattycake RN says:

      JaimeAndresPretell 
      It doesn’t matter to me what you want to call yourself or who you identify with, what percentage you claim…yada, yada, yada.  All that matters to me is being perpetrated upon by haters for whatever the reason.  Again, statistics will show that Blacks who have not been “approved” into a certain category are discriminated against at a higher rate than others.  Nothing to do with me being holy but more to do with the people who abuse their power to victimize others based on a certain classification being unholy.

      1. JaimeAndresPretell says:

        Pattycake RN
        Ah yes, the Black Americans are the higher victims of racism. Spare me. AfroLatinos, and others with equal or higher mixes still experience racism. And so people of other non White ancestries. The victimism hierarchy is pathetic.

        1. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
          You are ignorant about race in America. Racists do not take the time to ask are you an African American or a black Latino/a (I do not know what an AfroLatino is). They see skin color and that is enough–black skin to a racist is all that is needed. Period. You should know that. I know your kind. That is why the death of a black kid means nothing to you. Racists do not need facts to support a racist ideal or belief. Is that why you are able to ignore the fact that Zimmerman was the aggressor who initiated the incident? We get it.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN
           They see skin color and that is enough–white skin to a racist is all that is needed.
          Google how 17-year old Shawn Tyson murdered James Kouzaris and James Cooper for ending up in a black neighborhood in Sarasota, FL  after they got lost.
          Also, read “White Girl Bleed a Lot,” by Colin Flaherty.

        3. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
          @Jaime,
          I think your depth of understanding is pathetic.  I stated certain categories were discriminated against at a higher rate.  I also sd that those categories were of Blacks that have not been approved.  I never sd that other people do not experience discrimination as well, but merely pointed out the statistics.  If you have a problem with that maybe you should contact the statisticians, the media or take a tour of the Prison Industrial Complex in America.  Blacks have the highest percentage of our population in prison.  You do not have to believe me, only research it for yourself.  I do not feel that victimization is any type of hierarchy system.  It seems that some people in society have a blame the victim mentality because they do not want to hear the truth about someone else’s brutalization, whether physically or mentally.  Some either may have some sort of pathology when it comes down to it and may actually be jealous because of all the attention that they think that some people receive.  Ever hear of Munchausen’s?  Yeah I guess it is just so much fun being a victim and getting the short end of the stick.

        4. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
          You are referencing random crime. I am taking about racism, the fact racists do not need logic to determine the guilty of a black person. Also, racists do not care that a black person is African American or Black Latino/a, in response to the poster trying to a make a distinction between race and ethnicity: black is race and Latino/a is ethnicity. As far as racists are concerned, black is black and ethnicity does not matter.  
          Again, random crime and racism are apples and oranges and might not be that close. 
          In the cases you reference, did the white community have to start a national and international protest to pressure police to arrest the black men who killed the white girl? That is an example of of how race is lived in America (see How Race is Lived in America).

        5. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
          MoFreedom,
          No doubt there are two sides to every story, but who is most likely to be targeted from the time that they come out of the womb?  Who are the new prisons being built to house?  Why are they going to schools in mostly poor Black neighborhoods testing kids based on distorted information?  Then “they” want to turn around and say that Blacks commit more violent crimes, (just ask Mayor Bloomberg in N.Y. about that one).  A lot of Black children are being groomed for this type of behavior.  For one thing they have been and are given fewer and fewer options for success in this culture.  If they are not subjected to physical, subliminal, economic, spiritual, educational, medical, suppression, oppression, regression, depression then they may be lied on denied or spied on until finally they may say well there’s nothing left for me to do but go out and steal a loaf of bread so I don’t starve and when they become desensitized to that they may graduate to higher levels of crime because that seems to be the only thing working for them.  That does not condone them being greedy or lashing out at other people caught up in the same trap but I think the bigger crime here is when society tries to ignore it’s own sickness and tries to put a band aid on the symptom by trying to lock up everybody to try to keep something rotten from smelling too bad instead of trying to heal the wounds.  And by the way, White Girls ain’t the only ones who bleed.  But since they bleed as well then you should agree that there is definitely something broken in this country.

        6. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          There are no races. Just regional ancestry, and ethnicity. Having said that, there is phenotypic discrimination based on the belief in race, or racism.  The fact remains that racism in this country may have historically been started by the communities auto qualifying themselves as White, but now racism is across the board. As far as racism against African Americans, it is a catch 22. There is more prejudice against African Americans in general, but there is a higher proportion per capita of African Americans doing crime. Especially violent crime. This has nothing to do with race, because you can separate by social class and ethnic background. It has to do with historical disparities leading some segments of the population to have given up on education, law and order, and embraced informal (read illegal) ways of surviving. To a lesser degree you see this in the Latino and Native communities as well. Even White trash. But the predominant trend is seen in poorer, socially dysfunctional African American communities. And stereotypes are perpetuated each time someone lives up to the stereotypes. In the White community, you may have many criminals as well. But the problem is there are also a lot more positive role models blocking stereotype idealization. I studied this all through college trying to figure out ways to help my community. It is a catch 22. We don’t want people to stereotype us, but there are those among us who are living emblems of the stereotype. That is fact. And the only way to fight stereotype is by calling the miscreants out. Some do, and are immediately labeled Uncle Toms. Don’r air the dirty laundry. Well guess what, not airing the dirty laundry is letting that dirty laundry stink up the rest of our communities. You can’t blame it all on the White folk.

        7. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Pattycake RN MoFreedom chamberslee
          I agree it is a catch 22. No one is intentionally targeting African Americans en masse. But when trends occur, most police will get lazy and target the easiest group to  have the most hits. And right now that is the African American group.  In Latino majority communities Latinos are targeted. I have cousins who are cops, and I have seen them devolve and start talking bad about their own people, because day in and day out they deal with the worst elements of those people.  Expose yourself enough to the trash and you start seeing everyone like trash. I don’t care what ethnic group.  Yes, much of this is historical legacy. Past oppression has led to this situation. But at some point you also have to push for personal accountability.

        8. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Pattycake RN Whatever, you can try to rationalize your victimism all you want.  I will defend African Americans who are real victims, but I won’t assume a person is a victim just becaause they are African American. And same goes for any other group.

        9. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee Pattycake RN 
          I did read it.

        10. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chambersleePattycake RN 
          LMAO! I have lived in more states and among more ethnicities than you will see in your lifetime. Keep your myopia based on your little microcosm.

        11. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN
          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Pattycake RN
          You know what Jaime, I have to go back and continue reading your post bc after I read the first couple of lines I had to respond.  First of all, race was constructed when Europeans wanted to justify enslaving Black people by claiming that we are 3/5ths of a human being.  Now you want to blame us because we don’t like the way we were/are viewed and treated in this country?  Unbelievable.  Ok, I read more.  Why are Blacks considered to be predominately criminal when this society is run by a majority of corrupt individuals who control the media to make sure Blacks are seen as society’s greatest ill.  Especially when the system was built on ill gotten, (criminal, depending on your point of view) gains.  And now you want to look down your nose at me and act like you understand “our problem”.  Try to relate and said that Black people call successful Black people “Uncle Toms”?  Being an Uncle Tom has nothing to do with being successful.  There are people on all levels who will devour their own kind including their own family members whether they are rich are poor.  So your Uncle Tom analogy doesn’t fly with me.  As far as taken responsibility for the current situation, go tell that to the people who run this crooked show.  All people who are African Americans may not be victimized just because they are Black but sometimes some might be.  They also might be victimized because they are Black and hold certain views like being proud of who they are and speaking up for the rights of Blacks as well as anyone else.  Now you can shout me down and say Boo Hoo Hoo all you want but I have been on the short end of the stick of mob mentality many, many times and at some point a person can be affected by those incidences when it happens over and over again.  And just what do you mean by “REAL” victims?  If somebody attacks you, doesn’t that make you a “REAL” victim?  If somebody discriminates against you as far as hiring, firing, or harassment on the job, does that make you a “REAL” victim.  If someone is slandering, blacklisting or defaming your character so that you are blocked at every turn when you try to get somewhere in this life, does that make you a “REAL” victim.  Notice the word “BLACK”listng. Notice how almost every thing Black in the English language has a bad connotation.  Do you think that that might affect a child’s mind subliminally every time he is equated with being Black?  Does that explain why a lot of people try to claim they are not Black?  I heard a story about a Latino family where most of the members were light skinned.  The one dark skinned female was treated so badly because she was dark like a Black person that she wound up committing suicide.  Now do you still want to continue with your platitudes and judgments about who is a “REAL” victim and who ain’t?

        12. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Pattycake RNchamberslee MoFreedom 
          LOL. I’m postponing till monday.  I plan on enjoying myself with my girl. not debating. I promise to respond point by point later.

        13. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Pattycake RN 
          And exactly how do you know anything about my “little microcosm” or my experiences.  I don’t care if you have been to the moon or back, that still doesn’t preclude from being blind to certain facts.  Maybe you should go to the moon and do some research on some Martians or something, maybe they can help you to get a better of visual of someone else’s views because as far as I am concerned your vision is severely limited when it comes to being open minded to other people’s experiences which may be the reason you are deflecting and belittling.

        14. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN MoFreedom chamberslee
          Yes, African Americans are targeted for mass incarceration among other things. Following is a letter sent to 48 states from the largest private prison corporation offering to buy all state prisons with a couple of conditions that would be shocking if I were ignorant of the facts–I have aware of these practices for quite some time: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ccaletter.pdf.  The company wants the assurance from each state that it will maintain a 90% prison population capacity for at least 25 years. These very companies have lobbyists who are very involved in crafting criminal justice policies that result in more blacks being incarcerated for first time nonviolent offenses and receiving longer sentences for first time nonviolent offenses. 
          Research has been consistent for many years showing that black offenders receive very different experiences in the criminal justice system for similar offenses compared to their white counterparts. For example, whites use marijuana (specifically and generally other drugs) significantly more than blacks do, but blacks are 3 times more likely to be arrested and incarcerated than whites for the same possession offense . These facts come from the Uniform Crime Report and other government data.  
          Another example is from an actual case where a young black, female student was accused of pushing a teacher. She was sentenced to four (4) years.She had no prior contact with law enforcement.  In the same courtroom, facing the same judge that sentenced the young black  girl, a white girl about the same age as the black girl, was given probation for a second arson offense–her second arson offense. Which offense is violent? Before you answer, people could be inside of the building being sat on fire. The fire could spread and affect the entire area, community and other people’s lives. And she she had been arrested for doing to before.  The black girl may have pushed the teacher, but there were no injuries; she did not fall to the floor. The girl should be held accountable but 4 years incarcerated while the violent offense results in probation. 
          This case is not an anomaly; It  happens, daily in our court system. Blacks have a different experience with the criminal justice than whites do and that is why will may never agree on these kinds of issues. 
          The media is implicit in spreading misinformation and myths abut black criminality that do not jive with the facts from state and federal data sources and scientific studies. Informal segregation also adds to the problem because far too many white people, for example, are detracted and have no true interactions with black people. If they did, they would see that more blacks desire the same thing they desire: public safety and the ability to live up to their potential.

        15. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee Pattycake RN 
          I have traveled to nearly ever state in America several times, except the northwest. I have lived in states in the south, New England, Midwest, Southwest and the West Coast and East Coast. I have traveled internationally and currently reside in Asia. I have attended some the best universities where I befriended people from across the economic spectrum. If things work out, I shall find myself in Guam. And I have lived in poverty and the middle class. I choose to allow all of my experiences to to shape my views–not just the good ones.
          You came to a conclusion based on your microscopic mind that keeps you contained in your small world where a black person only lives in the hood, does not have fortitude or financial ability to travel and experience life. What a shame.
          You will never be as informed about race and ethnicity as I am because you are narrow minded and live in a world of white supremacy ideology that blinds you to reality.

        16. bwdn2008 says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN I second that! Having traveled the country and overseas my perspective is different then someone gives an entirely new perspective. White folks live in ghettos too, they are called trailer parks. When I was in Virginia the jokes were about Poor Whites moving up into a Double Wide Trailer. They rob, steal, do manufacture meth, have children out of wedlock (usually with a close family member), rob, kill, and steal.  As for Zimmerman, the Prosecution proved that he is a liar who said that he knew nothing about, “Stand Your Ground.” He looked the reporter in the face and straight out lied about his intentions that night. He was prepped well, but regardless of the outcome of the trial his troubles are not over. As far as white folks who support him, they have a mindset of false superiority. But they are only superior when walking around with a gun, or in a group. They are not superior when they are one on one, then they become cowards.  America was taken by the gun, (slaughter of Natives, enslaving Africans), and is going to die by the gun. Most of the people who own guns wind up shooting themselves or family members. That is unless they decide to go on a killing spree. Those crimes are almost always committed by White Males!

        17. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN 
          If and when you make it to Guam, I would like some information on what life is like there.

        18. chamberslee says:

          Pattycake RN chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell 
          I will let you know. I am trying to get a federal position with the VA or Navy DoD. I have worked for both organizations before. Are you an RN? If so, jobs in the health field are available in many locations oversees and the pay is great. I am a clinical social worker providing psychotherapy and cognitive behavioral therapy and I am a registered addiction specialist. I made a connection on Linkedin with a person who works in Guam, as a therapist and addiction counselor. He loves it. He put a word in for me and let me know when the position posted so I could get my application in quickly. Find me on Linkedin: Lee Chambers.

        19. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          bwdn2008 chamberslee JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN
          I think I am just a CC on this one, but let me correct some mistakes. Fact: White males are not more prone to go on serial killings or killing sprees. It is called a per capita comparison. African Americans make 13% of the population and European Americans make 77% of the population. 
          http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-05.pdf
          http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-06.pdf
          That means that if White American killers do 60% of killing sprees, they are still doing less than what should be expected from that population. Similarly, if African American killers did 15% of the killing sprees, they would be doing more than would be expected of that population.  I specifically say killers, because these miscreants are not a reflection on the rest of either population. But it can show trends of social circumstances that may allow for more or less miscreants to develop in either branch of society. A study was actually conducted on this very subject.
          http://www.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf
          European American serial/spree killers are about 51% of the serial/spree killer population. That means they actually are less represented than would be expected from the general European American population, African American serial/spree killers make up up 38% of the serial/spree killers. That would mean they are overrepresented in comparison to the 13% representation of African Americans in general in the overall population.
          This has nothing to do with race, which is a false concept, and everything to do with social forces in place that have occurred due to historical abuses by both forces of order and education which used their tools for oppression, which has led to a culture of distrust, and alternative lifestyles among segments of the African American population which are larger than in other populations. That is a fact. 
          My problem is this, when do you put the fault on the individual, over just blaming circumstances? Most African Americans are still not serial/spree killers. Most African Americans are not violent offenders. Yey they are exposed to these same circumstances. There is still an element of choice. Just like in White American populations. It just so happens that there is a larger percentage of the African American population that is choosing to do wrong. And while I understand that there is a lot more factors that give them the opportunity of going down the wrong path, they still choose at the end and just like their counterparts they have to be punished or they harm the law abiding members of society they live among. And it usually is people of their own ethnicity. 
          And blaming the majority of European Americans for the atrocities of the past, is just as bad as blaming the majority of African Americans for the present atrocities being committed by a minority of their group. Blame the individual for the individual acts. Or a very specific group if it is a group activity. Not some nebulous social construct such as race.

        20. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell bwdn2008 chamberslee Pattycake RN 
          Poppycock! White males are the typical serial killers and mass murders in America. 
          You arrive at your number by ignoring race as a category used when conducting empirical quantitative and qualitative research. Using only  ethnicity would include for the use of black, Asian, Native American and white Europeans as one category. That is junk science. You are not serious about having real debate. I have wasted far too much time trying to give you the benefit but you have some issues. You are too scarred to see all sides of an issue objectively.

        21. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Bullshyt. I referenced the studies That have my numbers. If you claim the studies are false probe them wrong as they give their data. Not your wishful thinking opinion. Bet you didn’t even read the links.

        22. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          Sorry about the spelling mistakes. Stupid spell corrector on my iPhone keeps on ‘correcting’ me and putting in wrong words. Prove.

        23. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee Pattycake RN JaimeAndresPretell 
          Okay Lee, thanks

        24. JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN This is the typical line of “I don’t want to discuss this issue so I will deride it” line, eh? LOL Spare me your righteous indignation.
           
          If Zimmerman had not viewed Trayvon as a threat, as one of those “assholes who always gets away”, we wouldn’t have had an altercation. Without racial profiling, we don’t even have an altercation.

        25. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee MoFreedom Pattycake RN You know, for years in this country, white people weren’t white. They were categorized into a variety of ethnic groups. Race is a construct put in place by whites to maintain a hierarchy. And white people have enjoyed that hierarchy, which is why, after the slaves were freed, many whites lounged around refusing to do “slave work.” And the benefits of being white haven’t suddenly exited from our society…
          In Chicago, we saw public policy as it relates to housing integrate racism into law. And there are more than “a few” criminals in the white community, but yes, you do see more crime wherever you see more poverty. But Trayvon Martin was not in a poor neighborhood and he wasn’t committing a crime.

        26. JaimeAndresPretell Pattycake RN Ah yes, when all else fails, accuse the person of playing the victim.

        27. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell bwdn2008 chamberslee Pattycake RN 
          Jaime,
          Thank you for explaining the pathology of the Black race.  Now can you explain the pathology of yourself, the white race as well as other races who commit such crimes as mass genocide, use of mass slavery, past and present, i.e. the prison industrial complex who are locking up innocent people, mostly Blacks and distorting the true facts in the media.  Not to mention the history books are full of distorted information to make the dominant culture seem so perfect and enlightened.  If this culture is so perfect and serene, why is this whole world gone wild?  Why is there so much pollution, so many wars, so much backstabbing, and greed and lust for power run rampant?  Who are the real criminals here?  You need to recognize the games that you and society are playing.  You think everybody has to think like you all and then they will be a winner too.  You need to understand that the game is rigged by the creators of the game who know just what it takes to win.  And having Black skin and certain views is not conducive to winning this game.  Did you ever notice that most of the people making the rules, judging and enforcing those rules are not Black?  Do you recognize who controls the purse strings.  Do you honestly want to blame Black people who aspire to get an education for the schools closing down in ridiculously high rates in Black communities?  What do you think the chances of survival are for poor Blacks without an education?  And then even if you do have an education and by some stroke of luck manage to get a job and maintain it, you might just have the soul sucked out of you and become what you despise the most, a hater and snob.  After all, when some people become successful, they want to distance themselves as far away from other people who they perceive have a problem.  You can research the statistics all you want but you don’t really know until you have lived in another persons’ skin how someone’s experiences may affect them.  All of this research that you are doing on Black people is just trying to justify why you think that George should get off scott free for taking a teenagers life is really disgusting to me and are you seriously  trying to claim that it happened because Black people are defective?  Wow and you wonder why some of us feel the way that we do.

        28. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell 
          We have the numbers, we have the statistics, we have the technology, we have the money, we have the power, we have the weapons, we have the land, we have the intelligence, we have the man power, we have the research. You have all of that and still don’t have a bit of common sense.  Look around you Jaime.  Who provides almost all of the information that you have.  Do they have Black skin?  No, I don’t think so.  Do people lie?  No???  Only Black people lie right?  Come on, explain to me why you think every statistic or explanation as to why those statistics are the way they are is the infallible truth.  Please, I would love to hear it.  You are so worldly and well traveled and yet you don’t have a clue.  You need to really educate yourself and dig a little deeper so that you can find a clue as to why you are either unaware or a flat out liar.  But in my opinion I think it may be a combination of both.  GET AN EDUCATION!!!

  11. MoFreedom says:

    Watch a MMA fight on TV.  Although those guys blast each other in the face with heavy punches, knee each other in the face, & kick each other in the head, they often emerge relatively uncut & unmarked.   As an exception, elbows thrown to the face & head quite often open nasty cuts.

    1. Pattycake RN says:

      MoFreedom 
      You seem to be trying to make the point that Trayvon was on top of George and punching him.  Why are you so obsessed with this point?  It has already been established that they were fighting.  Even if Trayvon was kicking the crap out of George, why were they fighting in the first place?  If George had not have been in pursuit of Trayvon in the first place, there would have been no encounter, POINT BLANK.  You guys are too funny and too obvious how you try to cover stuff up for each other and point the finger like he deserved it.  You must be trying to convince yourselves bc you’re not doing that great of a job trying to convince anybody with any kind of objectivity.

      1. MoFreedom says:

        Pattycake RNMoFreedom 
        That was Zimmerman’s testimony & the testimony of an eye witness.  
        And if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman had a right to defend himself.  
        Plus, the prosecution must show Zimmerman killed as a result of a depraved mind.  Defending oneself against an attack likely wouldn’t meet that standard.
        The prosecution must prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” (1) that Zimmerman didn’t have a right to used deadly force, and (2) that Zimmerman killed Trayvon because of wanton depravity.  Conjecture & speculation about what might have happened don’t count.

        1. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN Yet that is all you are doing is speculating about what may or may not happen. You are taking the facts and changing them to fit your view. Those of us who actually watch the trial see that GZ is a liar and has been proven as such. They are even lying saying he had a job working as a Financial Analyst when his credit is bad. The first think any financial institution does is check your credit. He was turned down by the Police Department because he had bad credit. If he is not a racist as you say then the next person he kills could be white. Either way he is someone I would not want roaming the streets of my neighborhood. George is a stalker and murderer and even if he gets off of this trial can be tried in Federal Court. He can also be sued civilly by Trayvon’s family, even if he is found Not Guilty.  Nothing would surprise me with a Jury in Florida, after they let Casey Anthony go free! George is the 2nd  most despised person in America, right next to Casey Anthony.

        2. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          You are arguing a moot point. It has been established that they were fighting and Trayvon was on top. You are ignoring the whole story to come to the conclusion you want. It is akin to not reading an entire book, only sections that appeal to you. book. There is a beginning, middle and ending and each should be examined closely in order to come to an objective conclusion–as objective as you can. You only want to focus on the end of the story which skews your conclusion. 
          As others have pointed out, and this goes to  manslaughter, but for Zimmerman following, ignoring the dispatcher and continue to follow, then running after Trayvon, they would have never met. If they had never met, the fight would not have occurred and Trayvon would be alive, today. We would not be here having this discussion. Causation has been established and Zimmerman caused the entire event. 
          Further, you are ignoring the chapter where Zimmerman is shown to be a liar. The lead detective believed he was lying and recommended charging him with manslaughter, the very charge he may end up with. What do you say about the career detective that is not friendly with the prosecution but remained objective and told us the facts as they are: Zimmerman lied multiple times during the 4 day interview. 
          I am not thinking about the second murder charge because I do not think the state have met all the elements for the charge but Florida law allows the judge to add manslaughter to the mix and legal experts familiar with the Florida court system believe the judge will instruct the jury to consider the lesser charge. That is my hope because a child is dead and Zimmerman caused it by his reckless, irresponsible actions. The lead detective said Zimmerman had no reason to stop Trayvon because he was not doing anything illegal or suspicious enough to warrant a reasonable stop by law enforcement. The same applies to Zimmerman who is not a police but a wanna be.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          bwdn2008 MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          That’s called “reasonable doubt.”  It works for the defense, not the prosecution.

        4. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          What are you responding to? You have not addressed anything I wrote, as I expected. three degrees in criminal justice, I know aabout reasonable doubt. Answer my points. 
          By the way, Zimmerman said in a recorded statement 24 hours after the shooting that the voice screaming did not sound like his voice—24 hours after the shooting. That was pointed out by legal analysts, today. What do you say?

        5. JaimeAndresPretell says:

          chamberslee
          Most people do not see their own voice recordings as sounding like themselves. That is because we get our own voices differently than we hear exterior voices. SO why would you expect screams would be any different?

        6. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          After Trayvon got shot, he was likely screaming because it likely hurt a lot.
          Before, he shot Trayvon, it was likely Zimmerman yelling for help.

        7. chamberslee says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          If you know you were screaming for help, the honest response to the question is YES, that is me, my voice.

        8. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          Five minutes ago, I am watching the prosecution as I type and he, pointed out what everyone except you already know: The screaming stopped after the shot was fired and there was no other scream–none. Wonder why the screaming stopped when the shot was fired.

        9. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN No it was not! Stop editorializing.

        10. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 Pattycake RN We shall see!

        11. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 Pattycake RN Witnesses stated that the screaming stopped after Trayvon was shot! Pay Attention George!

        12. MoFreedom says:

          bwdn2008 MoFreedom chamberslee 

          I checked it out, & it appears you’re right.  But since Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman & giving him a beatdown, I’d have to say that it was likely Zimmerman screaming before the shot was fired.
          Trayvon’s parents are poised to file a wrongful death civil lawsuit against Zimmerman, and it would likely increase the size of their judgment & ease of winning if Zimmerman was convicted in his criminal trial.
          I know they lost their son & that’s sad, but I’ve also seen money do strange things to people.

        13. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 chamberslee He does not have to be convicted for them to win a judgment against him. OJ Simpson was not convicted but was sued civilly and lost. They can take Zimmerman to Civil Court whether he wins or loses. In all likelihood the Feds will come in an charge George with murder if he is found not guilty. Either way his troubles are just beginning and all of his so-called supporters are going to desert him like rats from a sinking ship!

        14. MoFreedom says:

          bwdn2008 MoFreedom chamberslee 
          I recognized that.  But it increases the likelihood that the judgment will be larger & easier to obtain. If Zimmerman gets convicted, there likely won’t even be a trial.  More than likely there will be a settlement like the $1 million plus settlement Trayvon’s parents reached with Zimmerman’s Home Owners’ Association.

        15. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 chamberslee 
          The civilian suit is not about trying to get the largest payout. It is about getting recognition that Zimmerman was responsible for the death of a child for no logical reason. The same was true in the OJ trial and many other trial. No amount of money will bring back their son.
          This is not a ghetto family out for money as you infer. The mother is a career professional who has spent two decades with one organization. The father is a professional truck driver, fully employed. The oldest son attends a well respected private university studying information technology–a computer science field. So please let it go: The family does not fit the stereotype and the world learned more about that, yesterday.

        16. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008 
          Sorry, but money’s money, regardless of how much a person has of it.  And it has a corrupting influence.  I’ve seen that time & time again.

          As I said, I feel bad that Trayvon’s parents lost their son,.  That is a tragic loss.  But they now have a financial stake in the outcome of the criminal trial.

        17. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 
          So Ronald Goldman and Nicole Simpson’s Family had a stake in getting money from OJ Simpson? They were corrupted by money and did not have a vested interest in seeing the killer of their loved ones suffer financially–they just wanted to get the greatest amount of money possible. Wow! Your logic about families who sue murderers just for money insults every family who has lost a loved one to violence. 
          Or maybe you believe this about black families, only. Either way, it is poppycock.

        18. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008  
          Let me ask you this.  If someone offered you over a million dollars to fudge your testimony, would you?
          Think what you could do with a million dollars & all the things you could buy with it & how it might change & improve your life.
          Trayvon’s parents hired a civil attorney almost from the very beginning and that attorney likely helped shape the narrative in order to inflame passions & make it more likely Zimmerman would get convicted.  That attorney already has three or four hundred thousand dollars in his pocket from the first settlement & would love another big pay day.
          I’m not criticizing Trayvon’s parents.  I’m just saying that money is a corrupting influence.  And a person’s skin color has nothing to do with it.

        19. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          Well if it hurt that much, George should try having a baby.  And if that was him screaming, why can’t they just have him duplicate that scream and compare the one on the recording since he is the only one still alive?  Oh now all of a sudden they don’t have the technology to figure that out…hmm…interesting.

        20. Pattycake RN says:

          JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee 
          Why don’t you scream, then record it, then scream and record it again, then compare the two recordings since you like to do scientific experiments and legal analysis and are a pseudo intellectual.  You should be able to figure that one out genius.

        21. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          They will probably try to say because the threat ended.  But if you have a gun and you are the one pulling the trigger, why would you be screaming while you are shooting?  Then after the shot is fired the screaming stops?  Maybe Jaime should do an experiment and find a target or something and shoot at that target while screaming wildly while hitting the target with extreme precision to see how accurate that theory is.

        22. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 chamberslee 
          Money as well as hate does strange things to people.  For instance stating that you do not regret a thing after shooting a young man is strange and sounds depraved to me.  Now let’s see him try to cover that up and tell some more lies about what he meant by that.  If that was god’s plan, what kind of god is he working for?

        23. Pattycake RN says:

          bwdn2008 MoFreedom chamberslee 
          I hope they clean his clock and I don’t care how that makes me look or if I am seen as “Politically Unacceptable”  because sometimes there are things more important than politics, like human life and dignity.  In this day and age some people don’t even know what dignity is.  Dignity has nothing to do with status as believed in most parts of this country or in this world.  But when it gets taken away from people, then they might feel like it’s important.  Dignity has nothing to do with if you deserve it or not according to someone’s view of how you conduct yourself.  Dignity is a human RIGHT!!!

        24. JaimeAndresPretell chamberslee “Most people” like who? I assume you have studies, or are you just making it up as you go along?

        25. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          Yeah and I guess Zimmerman would have no reason to lie.  And just like you are defending him, some of those witnesses might feel the same way you do and try to excuse everything he did that night.  Now is that scientifically possible?

        26. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 Pattycake RN 
          Didn’t he say that the screaming stopped after the gun was fired?  And if somebody pulled a gun on you do you think you might be screaming or do you think that the person with the gun would be screaming?  Plz…be honest if you can.

        27. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 chamberslee 
          Well the HOA must have realized who was in the wrong.

        28. Pattycake RN says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008 
          And so what if they did fit some type of “stereotype”?  Does that mean that George was justified? H to the ell NO!!!  I could say that Mo and Jaime are typical, then maybe they should get what they deserve.  Any way, I’d rather be my type than theirs, even if that does include liking watermelon.

        29. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 
          Good.  Cause a lot of people probably have a financial stake in going out popping of Black people.

        30. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 
          First of all, you make absolutely no sense what so ever–no sense. 
          The Martin’s hired a law firm that has all sorts of lawyers, not just civil. They do not need a criminal attorney because the state is acting on their behalf as pseudo personal criminal lawyers. They needed a family attorney because the police department refused to do its job and charge Zimmerman because black victims are often treated difficultly than what victims and this was a good example. Without public protest, another black child would be dead and no one would have had to answer the charge.
          Obviously, you do not know anything about law, and that is understandable, most people do not either. Going to civil court after a criminal trial, successful or not, is common practice. You are implying that this is unusual and so it MUST be amount money. It is common; read a law book. The apartment should be sued as well because the owners allowed Zimmerman to act as a self-appointed neighborhood watchman, even though there were complaints about him being too aggressive to residents. 
          Do you have children? If I lost my son to violence, I would do everything legally possible to ensure the person feels my pain. Money would not be the motivation and for all the unknown families who do not get media exposure, you are saying they only want money when they go to civil court. Shame on you for diminishing their pain and the Martin’s. 
           You never answered the question about Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman’s family going to civil court in the OJ case. Was it about money for them? I simple yes or no will suffice.

        31. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008 
          Well who has the most money in the world?  You are giving yourself away.  Paying somebody is a lot better than an eye for an eye.  They had a loss that money can’t come close to replacing but it can help them recover from the financial holocaust that they may have found themselves in due to the loss of their son.  You don’t know what expenses they may have had to cover due to this tragedy.  You don’t know how this has impacted their lives.  Why are you questioning their right to be compensated?  Could you be fearful of seeing Black people get paid for all the devastation that they have had to endure?  I wonder if you would pass up the chance if someone you loved died in such a horrific manner for no good reason.  But I bet if you respond you will try to act like you are above and beyond that like you are too nice or something and you have high moral and principles.  And when I say act, I mean ACT!!!  TYPICAL!!!

        32. MoFreedom says:

          Pattycake RNchambersleeMoFreedombwdn2008
          You mean hitting a 6′ 2″ tall target that’s sitting on top of you & only  6-9 inches away.  Hmmmm?  That doesn’t sound very hard to do, does it, even if Zimmerman was screaming at the time?
           I suspect that even a rank amateur while screaming at the top of his lungs could have hit the target at that distance.

        33. MoFreedom says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom bwdn2008  
          The Goldmans filed a civil suit as an afterthought, because O.J. got away with murder.
          But the civil attorney for Trayvon’s parents showed up on the scene almost from the very beginning & began shaping the narrative.

        34. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN chamberslee bwdn2008 
          Remember, Zimmerman has enhanced charges because he killed a child.  That is way second degree carries life and manslaughter, the judge instructs the jury to consider, carries 25 years. 
          Height does not matter. It is a red herring. George was 194lbs in great shape and Trayvon was a lightweight. Plus, when Trayvon supposedly had one hand over George’s nose and one hand over his mouth, couldn’t George just throw Trayvon off by turning his body? Trayvon did not have the use of his hands to do anything else. Although Trayvon was supposedly using several sets of hands to do all the other things George claimed.  
          Amazing how you ignore the my posts you have no answer for and continue spewing nonsense.
          The judge said the prosecution has submitted sufficient information for the case to go forward. What dos that tell you? Maybe that the judge is smarter enough to see that Zimmerman is a liar trying to avoid going to prison. 
          You should join the smart people, too.

        35. peggy70a says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee bwdn2008  You are absolutely corrupt.  A person thinks out loud what is in their heart.  Who but a sick person would think the parents are concerned about “a big payday.   You sir/miss are an idiot.

        36. CarolParks says:

          Peggy70a. Lol! Yes he is. More then likely a racist with big, giant blinders on. Knows nothing about the true history of this country. Ignorance is very prevalent in America. I no longer answer MoFreedom, as it is a waste of time. He ignores all Facts.

    2. Pattycake RN says:

      MoFreedom 
      I don’t watch MMA fighting on TV but could you go out and find someone to assist you in demonstrating how it’s done?  You could make a YouTube video and show us someone bashing your head in so that we will understand your point.

  12. MoFreedom says:

    BornToBeWild63 
    So, did the cuts on the back of Zimmerman’s head happen when he banged it on the grass?

  13. MoFreedom says:

    http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/12906163p-13754620c.html
    The Sacramento District Attorney’s office will not prosecute two Lodi men – Donnie Garibaldi and Jeff Berndt – for their role in a April 20, 2005 road rage confrontation after a Kings game near Arco Arena that left banker Mark Leidheisl dead. After reviewing the Sacramento Police Department’s investigation, the District Attorney’s office said in in a news release issued Tuesday that Leidheisl died as a result of mutual combat between he and Berndt on Prosper Drive, near Truxel Road.

    1. Pattycake RN says:

      MoFreedom 
      Mutual??? Did Trayvon ask or agree to be followed?  Who was the one out looking for trouble?  Did George send a memo and say hey, let’s meet at such and sucha time so we can throw down?  If not, then I would say that the confrontation was not mutual…oh well back to the drawing board, guess you will have to continue researching to make your NON- point.

  14. chamberslee says:

    You cannot address the issues I presented so you continue to say the world is flat when that point is already established that it is round, a moot point. Well, my mom said if you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say anything. Good job.

  15. MoFreedom says:

    Bwdn2008,
    Under
    questioning Monday, Noffke (the dispatcher) said he didn’t order
    Zimmerman to stay put because dispatchers are only supposed to make
    suggestions for liability reasons.

  16. MoFreedom says:

    mirchick,
    Zimmerman
    followed someone he thought was acting suspicious to ensure he didn’t
    do anything wrong. That wouldn’t be unreasonable in a neighborhood that
    was experiencing a high rate of criminal activity like Zimmerman’s was. That’s what
    neighborhood watch members do. 
    Trayvon’s dad wasn’t an eye witness.  
    Zimmerman said he lost sight of Trayvon & was heading back to his SUV when he was attacked (perhaps instigated by Rachel Jeantel) by Trayvon.  And an eye witness said Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and pounding him like an MMA ground and pound. 
    Señor Zimmerman was
    apparently no match for Trayvon’s fighting skills, yet that did not
    mean he had to get beaten to death or put into a coma.

    1. chamberslee says:

      MoFreedom 
      The lead detective, who is not a friend of the prosecutor, said there was no reason for Zimmerman to stop or approach Trayvon because Trayvon was not doing anything wrong and had the right to be in the area. He said, as a police officer, he would not have been suspicious of Trayvon based on Zimmerman’s statements.  
      Why was he acting suspicious? Was it because he was a black male? Was it because he was wearing a hoodie in the RAIN?  
      You base your belief on many of Zimmerman’s discredited statements and refuse to accept Zimmerman’s owns words when they go against what you WANT to believe really happened. You have invested so much of yourself and your hopes that Zimmerman is not convict that logic be damned. Interesting. 
      He is a liar. He lied to the judge last year about his legal fund, as he and his wife spent the money on person issues unrelated to his defense. And he had been caught in numerous lies since. Yet, you quote his accounts as though he has been shown to be honest. Quoting him only works if he is seen as honest. He is not. He is a person trying to avoid person. What is he supposed to say to stay out of prison?  
      Allow yourself to see both sides and look at everything, then tells how his stories overcome the inconsistencies, lies and impossibilities?

      1. MoFreedom says:

        chamberslee MoFreedom  
        No one said Zimmerman stopped or approached Trayvon.  
        Zimmerman saw a guy in his neighborhood that he didn’t recognize & followed him to see if he intended to commit a crime.
        Had Trayvon gone home, Zimmerman likely would have followed him to his house & then gone home himself. That’s what neighborhood watch persons do.
        I live on a dead end street where I can see the entire street.  If someone walks or drives down my street that I don’t recognize, I watch them out my window to see what they’re up to.  If they go up to one of my neighbor’s door and get a friendly greeting, I stop watching and go back to whatever it was I was doing.

        1. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee 
          Are you watching the trial and seeing how the prosecution is using Zimmerman’s own statements to show what HE said he did before, during and after? Zimmerman should have gone to the store or stayed in his car or not follow when advised and none of this would have happened.
          The lead detective is an important witness, and he said Trayvon was not doing anything wrong, was not suspicious based on Zimmerman’s own statements to police over a four day period , and that Zimmerman should have never followed Trayvon from the beginning because Trayvon was not doing anything to suggest he was a criminal or in a criminal act. He was walking home from the store because his father lived in the area.That is established by a REAL police officer–not a wanna be. 
          Trayvon had never been arrested, never been in contact with police–ever. Zimmerman was profiling black people and that is what he considers suspicious. Zimmerman was more of a criminal than Trayvon because he had been arrested at least twice. 
          Again, you are trying to prove you case with the words of a proven liar. You are not acknowledging that much of what you keep saying Zimmerman said has been shown to be a lie–the lead detective said so and recommended manslaughter charges.
          He lied to the judge during the bail hearing; he lied to the world in the FOX interview about not knowing anything about stand your ground; and he has lied multiple times in his statements to police. He is a liar but that is all you have–his lies. 
          You are too invested in Zimmerman to be objective .

        2. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom chamberslee 
          I’m surprised someone like you doesn’t do what George did and get you gun and go on the prowl.  Maybe we will soon see you in the news too.

    2. Pattycake RN says:

      MoFreedom 
      Come on now, be serious.  Zim applied to be a police officer and he’s scared and screaming like he’s dying from a few scratches and bruises.  Acting like his life is ending bc he is in a fight with a teenager armed with skttles and iced tea?  If he had become a police officer he had the potential to catch a bullet and that didn’t scare him.  I have been in more pain than what seems to be the extent of his injuries and I didn’t even scream that hard and he’s a trained MMA fighter with a gun. Pleeeeeeze.

      1. MoFreedom says:

        Pattycake RNMoFreedom 
        Zimmerman was taking an aerobic class like Billy Blanks’ Tai Bo classes.  
        They give similar classes at my gym & mostly women take them.
        Take a look at Zimmerman & see how hard you think he worked at it.
        Zimmerman once aspired to be a police officer.  But he gave up that career path and was hoping for a career as an insurance salesman.
        Plus, the Skittle & ice tea drink may not be as innocent as you may think. 

        Trayvon’s
        text messages indicated he was familiar with “purple drank” and wanted
        more of it. 
        Skittles & the watermelon flavored drink Trayvon bought
        were 2 of the 3 ingredients that go into purple drank.
        Purple
        drank is popular among today’s young gangsta culture & is
        popularized in rap music. It’s a mixture of a few ounces of codeine
        cough syrup (frequently a target in home burglaries), a sugar flavored
        drink, and some Skittles thrown in for added flavor.

        1. Pattycake RN says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          Yeah okay, he was taking Tai Bo to get into shape.  Is that why he’s not doing Tai Bo now, he doesn’t have anything better to do right now when he’s not in court.  Maybe he could go back to it in prison if he is found guilty.  See there yall go again with the watermelon.  I have been profiled as well in the past for eating watermelon.  How come some people can get away with eating watermelon and some people can’t.  Sounds like discrimination to me.  Watermelon discrimination.  Dang, I don’t mean to sound typical but I really loves me some watermelon.  I hope I don’t wind up dead or in jail for it.

        2. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          What is wrong with you? Seriously, candy and ice could have been a weapon. I wish the defense had you for a witness. You would certainly help the state show how some people are willing make up anything–logic be damned. You have no shame, I will give you that.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          Pattycake RNMoFreedom
          Trayvon bought Arizona Watermelon fruit juice cocktail.  The only racial implications to that were introduced by you.

        4. vjordan46 says:

          MoFreedom 
          Wow, you know so much about the Gangsta rap culture; however, stop trying to add things to this situation that do not exist. Regardless of what he planned to make with the items he had in his hand (TM) at the time he was found dead, the only things he had in his possession were a can of tea and a bag of skittles. If he was going home to make the “Purple Drink”, he never made it home to complete this task because he was murdered by Zimmerman for no apparent reason. Lets stick to the facts in the case.

        5. vjordan46 says:

          MoFreedom Pattycake RN 
          No MoFreedom, you stated that the Gangsta Rap culture use these items in the Purple drink, so who really started with the racial implications?

        6. MoFreedom says:

          vjordan46 MoFreedom 
          Trayvon was off the sidewalk in the rain walking close to the houses, like he was casing them.  And the police found a burglary tool near Trayvon’s body.  Plus, school officials found another burglary tool in his things at school. 
          The 3rd ingredient in purple drank is codeine & burglars usually go straight for the medicine cabinet once they gain entry. 
          Guns, money, jewelry & drugs are burglars’ primary targets.
          Trayvon also had a weed habit with no apparent way to pay for it.
          Other than Trayvon, I don’t know who uses purple drank.  But I heard they sing about it in gangsta rap songs that are listened to by people of all colors.

    3. mirchick says:

      MoFreedom Sweetheart…Zimmerman SAID?…and you believe what Zimmerman said!  That’s your  problem…this is why you run off all of this over confident “fact”confetti!!!  Zimmerman is a liar.   He lied from jump. And let’s not forget…he wasn’t  neighborhood watch appointed…he was self appointed, packin heat.  Didn’t he and his lame a$$ wife lie about funds? Didn’t he change his story…how many times?  If Martin was a white boy, you wouldn’t be defending GZ and you KNOW it.  You’d be trying to convince  all of us that a poor, innocent white kid strapped with Skittles and iced tea was stalked and gunned down after being chased down by a half a Spick that was half brown. Zimmerman said…you crack me up.

  17. MoFreedom says:

    chamberlee,
    I think you’re giving way too much importance to the fact that Zimmerman didn’t take the dispatcher’s advice.  Let’s assume that the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon (which he didn’t) but Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon a ways further.  So what? 

    Zimmerman then lost sight of Trayvon & was heading back to his SUV when he was attacked by Trayvon.
    Zimmerman suspected that Trayvon was a criminal, and when Trayvon attacked him, Zimmerman must have believed he was right.

    Trayvon was 6 inches taller than Zimmerman, it was dark & raining, and Trayvon was wearing a hoodie.  Zimmerman likely couldn’t tell how old Trayvon was under those circumstances or what Trayvon intended to do to him.  All he knew what that someone 6 inches taller than himself overpowered him, had him flat on his back, and was pounding him.
    And the question then becomes whether Zimmerman could have reasonably feared under those circumstances that he might suffer a serious injury.

    1. Pattycake RN says:

      MoFreedom 
      If he was so scared then why was he even in pursuit.  If I was scared of somebody I would never follow them in the first place.  He called 911 and should have left it at that.  But no, he had to play McGruff and take a bite out of crime, which there was no crime until he attacked.  You can take a liar’s word if you want to but what do you actually expect him to say, the truth?  Just like you don’t want to hear the truth, George don’t want to tell the truth.  Some people love liars and will defend the lie at all cost.  Wonder why that is?  Care to tell the truth? No?  Then I guess you will continue with the lies.

      1. MoFreedom says:

        Pattycake RN MoFreedom  
        Generally, surveilling someone is not dangerous work.   It only becomes dangerous when someone doesn’t like it and attacks you.
        Besides Zimmerman had stopped surveilling Trayvon & was heading back to his SUV.

        If I was being followed by a stranger, I’d hurry to the safety of my home.  But an experienced fighter, who was six inches taller than the guy keeping a watch on him (and perhaps incited into action by Rachel Jeantel) might want to give the guy a beatdown.

      2. queenjazze says:

        Pattycake RN MoFreedom Trayvon dad had it right when he said at first that wasn’t his son screams……As a matter of fact Zimmerman is still breathing life…He can make those same screams right now…Trayvon can’t bc of Zimmerman’s evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks……When have you ever heard of a person who is the beater sceaming? Never, Trayvon was the one who was giving Zimmerman the beat down…Trayvon was scared that night, and he could have gave that first punch…However, Zimmerman provoked the whole situation, and he needs to pay for taking Trayvon life……You misunderstood me, i wasn’t calling Trayvon evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks….Zimmerman was caught off balance when Trayvon knocked the hell out of him bc Zimmerman was not acting like a neighborhood watch, Trayvon didn’t know him, and Trayvon was defendindg himself…..

    2. mirchick says:

      MoFreedom You are clearly a knucklehead!! BIG TIME.  There you go reciting the “facts’as the killer of an unarmed child states them…and you believe him! I suppose you defend his molesting his cousin also?  Oh wait…she must be lying.  You align yourself with scum…proudly…Very weird.

      1. CarolParks says:

        Mirchick, you are so right. There is no defense for this Murderer, so they attack the Victim. It’s absolutely disgusting. They know he’s Guilty.

    3. JBReal says:

      MoFreedom He clearly was told NOT to follow and he DID!  He was also told to let the dispatcher KNow what he does next- well it’s funny the he took that order just fine. I don’t understand how you could think that a young kid had on his mind to walk in the rain and wait for a crack head like GZ to come out so that he could JUMP his bones. Sorry but I have TONS of little Ghetto boys in my family and they just DON’T operate that way. Trayvon did not have an incentive to harm this man. He clearly told his friend on the phone that he was going to LOOSE him. He had NO motive to ambush this man. He was being hunted like an animal and he turned around to ask ‘why was he being followed” in which he was then accosted and ultimately lost his life. People keep making a big deal about his height but at the end of the day Zimmerman was a grown ass man who had years on TM and could handle himself with NO problem. I don’t think TM EVER laid a HAND on the COWARD. I think those wounds are SELF INFLICTED to cover up his on premeditated acts. He is disgusting and I personally he hope he BURNS IN HELL if there is such a thing!

      1. MoFreedom says:

        JBRealMoFreedom 
        Regardless of what the dispatcher said (who admitted what he told Zimmerman was merely a recommendation), it is no crime to surveille someone that was acting suspicious.  So, Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow & watch Trayvon to determine if intended to commit a crime.  And police found a burglary tool in the bushes near Trayvon’s body & school officials found another burglary tool & some women’s jewelry in Trayvon’s things at school.
        “He clearly told his friend on the phone that he was going to LOOSE him.”
        And that’s precisely what Zimmerman said he did.  Zimmerman said that after he lost sight of Trayvon, he started walking back to his SUV when Trayvon (perhaps instigated by Rachel Jeantel) appeared on the scene and attacked him.
        You seem to think Zimmerman is a world champion fighter.  But he doesn’t look like one to me.  And there is little evidence to indicate he is.  Plus, if he was that tough, why didn’t he just give Trayvon the beatdown of his life & leave it at that?
        I remember another tall black kid that won Olympic gold at the age of 18.  His name was Muhammad Ali.  He had hundreds of fights by the time he was 18 and could whip anybody’s ass, even as an 18-year old kid. 
        But somehow I don’t put Zimmerman in the same class as Ali.

        1. JBReal says:

          MoFreedom JBReal Your logic is flawed and it is clear that you assume guilt on the part of TM bc of some preconceived notion that ALL  Black boys are prone to violence and have the brute strength of Muhammad Ali. To put it lightly, NO evidence support that Trayvon was doing ANYHTING other than WALKING home. ALL evidence point towards the FACT that the COWARD GZ followed him-no crime there . (Unless of course you end up KILIING the person you follow. The person who turned out to be a REGULAR teen who liked children and rode horses from time to time. Just because you get into a fight at school doesn’t make you more LIKELY to go in the middle of the NIGHT to fight a CREEPY CRACKER which you KNOW NOTHING about. What is said about white peoples version of this is that no one seems to take into account THE COWARD’s violent history. Its ok to make a mistake and smoke weed as a TEEN. ITS NOT OK to be a VIOLENT COWARD AS AN ADULT!

        2. vjordan46 says:

          MoFreedom JBReal 
          What, please; now you are making up things. TM was an honor student headed to college to pursue his dream as a pilot. Now, here you go trying to paint him as a thug to prove a point of him being shot by a grown man. Again, he should not have followed him in the community. If he was really concerned, he could have stayed in his car, spoke with the dispatcher and inform her of TM whereabouts if he was truly concern for his neighborhood; however, he used chose words to describe TM, and begin to profile him because he felt that TM was doing something wrong. He should have simply called the police and allow for the police to do the job they get paid for. Simple as that. All this other mess you are placing on this page, is simply just mess. (MoFreedom)

        3. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, you are trying to twist everything to defend a Murderer. This is what happens when you have No Defense, you go after the Victim. This is a very simple case for many reasons. GZ’s past history, which many agree points to him being a Sociopath. His past starting from his childhood, is filled with violence, and sickness. Then you keep referring to him as this watch person, when 1/2 the people living in that gated community didn’t even know him. Including Trayvon’s Dad & Fiancé’ who lived there. If GZ was truly a watch person he would have introduced himself to every resident who lived there. And it would have been his Job to Protect Trayvon, who was visiting. But, that is what is done in Gated Communities, Not appointing yourself & run around with a loaded gun. GZ said, they always get away with it. He was referring to AA as the rest of his comments inferred that. He went after & followed a kid, & killed him period. And Trayvon had the right to SYG as he was being threatened. It doesn’t matter what GZ. Weighed, he had a loaded gun. None of this would have happened if he had not followed, not got out of his truck, but he wanted to kill. That is why he shot him in the Heart. His demeanor in court is of Arrogance, & smugness. Just imagine the same scenario only of an AA man following & killing a 17 year old White boy. I’m sure you would still be defending the Murderer right? GZ Murdered Trayvon, Period. & he will murder again if he is free. But, I really think one way or another GZ will get his Due. Karma is a Bitch!

      2. CarolParks says:

        JBReal. One way or another, the Murderer will pay. Karma will get him.

        1. JBReal says:

          CarolParks Especially if he is within the vicinity of the MS/AR lol

        2. CarolParks says:

          JBReal, lol! Got that right! 😀

      3. CarolParks says:

        JBReal, the Murderer, has no defense so he goes after the victim. This was very common years ago. When women got raped they were always blamed. Oh, it must be what she wore, or she dated a lot. Whatever they can say to make the victim look guilty, which is incredulous. They are trying to do this with Trayvon, & the only people buying it are bigots.

        1. JBReal says:

          CarolParks Yes exactly. I’m watching on youtube and you should see some of the comments being stated about TM from those bigots. Its gross how people can be so hateful that the say hateful things about a kid and refuse to even acknowledge that he was a KID!

        2. CarolParks says:

          JBReal yes, I can imagine. I have argued on Huffington Post, with “people” that are beyond ignorant, and yes the hatred just consumes them. I have never understood it. Just plain evilness to me. I have always called them White Trash, but I really believe some of these “people” are really evil. This is such a simple case. That murderer called Trayvon names and profiled him because he was AA. G Z’s language shows that. He profiled, followed, & killed. Trayvon had every right to defend himself. Look at the look on that murderer’s face during this trial. Arrogant, cold, no feelings whatsoever. He has the eyes of a shark, cold & empty. I don’t trust this all white jury, nor Florida. But, he will eventually pay.

        3. JBReal says:

          CarolParks Yes. I found myself stooping to their level and being dragged into the filth with them. To this day, I have to resist the temptation to indulge in such hate filled sessions. Its  very difficult to see and hear such repulsive things and not respond in kind but I have learned to resist the urge to respond to ignorance which have no grounding whatsoever. I just toil with them mostly lol

        4. CarolParks says:

          JBReal Lol! I completely understand. They absolutely hate me, because I’m white & telling them exactly what they are. It’s actually funny. But, to have and carry that kind of hatred, will eat them alive. By that I mean it can internalize into cancer, heart attacks, strokes, etc. my grandmother always told me not to get down in the mud with people, but sometimes I just get so angry. But, you are correct it doesn’t do any good. They are all brain dead.

    4. JayRi1 says:

      MoFreedom 1 Zimmerman was 100 lbs heavier than Trayvon,  I don’t know if you have ever tried to over power someone who is 100 lbs heavier than you, but unless you can dead lift that person’s body weight for reps, it doesn’t happen that is simple physics. 2 a police dispatcher cannot give instructions, only suggestions which should be followed for your own safety. 3 Zimmerman had no business getting out of the SUV, even if you want to follow someone to keep an eye on them, you do so in the car as long as they are visible from the street, the second you get out of that car and go on foot, your the aggressor. 4 people following a percievably unsuspecting person with a loaded gun are not fearing for their lives, people following someone who knows they are being followed, that is semantically referred to as chasing and your the aggressor, self defense doesn’t work, especially if you have a loaded gun.  Zimmerman’s logic does not add up

      1. MoFreedom says:

        JayRi1 MoFreedom 
        Zimmerman’s trainer said he was out of shape & “soft.”  On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best, he rated Zimmerman as a 1.
        Zimmerman is 5′ 7″ tall & weighed 200 lbs. the night he was booked. 
        Sounds like a short, pudgy, out of shape guy, likely to get his ass kicked in a fight to me.

        1. vjordan46 says:

          MoFreedom JayRi1 
          he should have thought about that before he went on a witch hunt after a young man who was minding his own business, and to top it off, he had a gun, so lets go back to what you stated, a 5’7″ 200 pound pudgy guy thinking he was bad, ,but in the interim realized that he was not as bad as he thought, so he shot a young man and pretended that it was self defense, go figure.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          vjordan46 MoFreedom JayRi1 
          Zimmerman didn’t know he was going to get jumped.  He had lost sight of Trayvon & was heading back to his car.
          Trayvon had given Zimmerman the ditch (just like he said he would).  Had Trayvon then taken the opportunity to go home, none of this would’ve happened.

        3. JBReal says:

          MoFreedom vjordan46 JayRi1 thank you for revealing your true character

        4. vjordan46 says:

          JBReal MoFreedom vjordan46 JayRi1 
          MoFreedom;
          I am sorry that you have been misinformed. Because I see that you are reaching for excuses to cover up for Zimmerman, you will have to converse by yourself. Stop painting a negative picture of Trayvon, yes he smoked weed, throughout this trial, there has not been a mention of him having a weed habit he could not support. As for as a foreign object being found by his body, I will have to listen more closely to the testimony because I do not recall hearing that information at all during this trial. Wow, the things that some people say and do is amazing.

        5. chamberslee says:

          MoFreedom vjordan46 JBReal JayRi1 
          Marijuana is NOT expensive. It costs as little as $5 for a small bag and no more than $25 for a large bag. 
          I am an addiction specialist and a criminologist with real life experience and facts. You are making up your own facts. Go to Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Agency (SAMHSA) for facts. Or do as FOX does and continue to make it up as you go. 
          Lee Chambers, MS, MSW, LCSW, LMSW, RAS

        6. JBReal says:

          Weed is relatively cheap. How do you propose your kids smoked it when they didn’t have jobs and please don’t tell me your kids never smoked.

        7. bwdn2008 says:

          chamberslee MoFreedom vjordan46 JBReal JayRi1 They said Trayvon had THC in his system which is trace amounts. The argument from the pundits is that some of the jurors may have had children who smoked Marijuana. The defense did not bring it up because then the prosecution would have brought up the drugs Zimmerman had in his system.

        8. MoFreedom Comment deleted. Check the House Rules…

        9. MoFreedom JayRi1 Zimmerman was  almost 190 and Trayvon was 158, but the 28  year old Zimmerman couldn’t have defended himself against a 17 year old? And take a look at Zimmerman’s video of where he details his account of what happened that night. The guy is thin and fit. Why you chose to go down this illogical path, I’ll never know. Wonders never cease.

        10. chamberslee MoFreedom vjordan46 JBReal JayRi1 The marijuana issue is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. Mo is just trying to bait you….
          Anyone who would make the assumption that Trayvon was stealing just because he had weed in his system isn’t discussing this issue from a good faith perspective. There’s nothing you could ever say or do….

        11. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell MoFreedom  
          A lot of sites are deleting comments.  That’s why the full story never gets out there.  As Josef Stalin said:  “He that controls the narrative can control the outcomes.”

        12. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell chamberslee MoFreedom vjordan46 JBReal JayRi1  
          Everyone on this site is making ugly assumptions about GZ & what he did.   Or did tribalism keep you from seeing that.
          I think there may be a civil trial following the criminal one.  If so, I think you’re going to see a different side of Trayvon.  The judge went out of her way to suppress a lot of evidence re Trayvon’s character.  But that will come out in the civil trial if there is one.

    5. vjordan46 says:

      MoFreedom 
      If Zimmerman would not have pursued Trayvon Martin, we would not be sitting here having this debate. Regardless of how tall Trayvon Martin was over Zimmerman, Zimmerman, weighed almost 100 pounds more than TM. He was also training. The stand your ground law does not allow for Zimmerman to walk around the neighborhood with a gun. He was the neighborhood watchman, not the neighborhood policeman, that makes a differences. It appears that you are giving to much credit where credit is not due.

  18. CarolParks says:

    To Anyone defending, “The Murderer” on here, this is Not a complicated case. Because of Florida’s Laws which have a SYG law, a lot of misguided people thought that the SYG should have applied to G Z. When in reality, the SYG law actually applies to Trayvon Martin. He was doing nothing wrong, & was profiled, followed, & killed. Trayvon Martin was the one who was standing his ground, as he was continually being followed by a strange, unknown man.
    When you have security, or security watch people in a gated community, the norm is to vote or at the very least be introduced to the person or persons who will be responsible. Trayvon’s Dad lived with his Fiancé’ in that gated community. Neither of them knew or had been introduced to GZ. As many others living there had not known of him either. GZ had a duty as the watch person to protect Trayvon, as he was a guest in that community. Officially, GZ was not a watch person, because 1/2 the community had not been informed.

    1. CarolParks says:

      Now there has been conflicting testimony about who was on top. A lady who could only speak Spanish, testified that the man on top wore a red jacket. That would have been GZ. Whether GZ was on top or on the bottom, it would have been impossible for Trayvon to reach for that gun. The DNA testing showed Trayvons DNA was not on the gun. Trayvons hands, especially the knuckles did not have bruising which he should have had if he were pummeling GZ.
      People who defend this murderer are ignoring the real facts in this case. GZ kept following Trayvon, after being told not to. The timeline proves that. I believe it is very possible that GZ grabbed Trayvon, & they both fell on the cement & that is when GZ got those tiny cuts to his head. They both were fighting and rolled onto the grass & Trayvon punched GZ in the nose. That is when GZ pulled out his gun & Trayvon screamed. The Murderer then shot Trayvon, & the screaming immediately stopped. He was the Aggressor from the minute he started to follow Trayvon. You cannot say you were doing this in self defense once you are deemed to be the Aggressor.

      1. CarolParks says:

        You had a person with a concealed,loaded weapon, assuming that a kid going to the store was up to no good. Nothing in Trayvons behavior gave GZ any reason to assume that, except for his bigotry against AA. He had called 911 43 times, in a short time. This is not normal behavior.
        His past, ( GZ ) is a very telling story. He was not allowed to have friends growing up, & his neighbors said that family did not interact, nor allow the kids in the Zimmerman family to associate with others. GZ’s Dad was a strong disciplinarian, who never gave GZ his approval, nor affection while growing up. GZ’s Dad did get him out of trouble many times as an adult. GZ’s own 1st cousin accused him of molesting her as a child for years. His former ex girlfriend had to have restraining orders because of his abuse. He slammed a stranger who was a woman, against the wall in a bar. Her ankle was broken. He punched an under cover cop. He was fired for harassing another fellow employee. He was fired from a security job also. He was denied from becoming a police officer. This is all documented online, you can research it. There is more then likely more incidents we don’t know about. But, GZ’s past history, plus his demeanor points to the likelihood that he is a sociopath. He has no feelings of guilt, nor any empathy for Trayvons family. When asked what would you change if anything? He said, nothing! It was Gods Plan.

        1. CarolParks says:

          But, for the defenders of this sociopath, the Jury is 5 White women, & 1 lady that is Hispanic. This is Outrageous, as at least 2 if not more should be AA. This is only more proof of the unjust Legal System in this country. I will not be surprised if he is acquitted. But, he will not get away with this, as I truly believe in Karma, which is a B*tch. The only thing most people do not understand who defend this sociopath, he will kill again. This is my stated opinion, & I am not interested in arguing the facts.

        2. peggy70a says:

          CarolParks Why was none  of this brought up during the trial?   I am so afraid he is going to get off!!  How did they get away with not including AAs on the Jury?

        3. CarolParks says:

          Peggy I have no idea. This would Never fly in San Fran. As far as GZ’s past goes, the Judge must not have allowed it. It is all documented online google his name with molestation & his cousin. Or Google his name with fight with cop, or ex girlfriend & restraining order. It’s all there.

    2. MoFreedom says:

      CarolParks
      There is no norm for neighborhood watch persons.  It’s just another volunteer job like a mom being a school bus monitor, seeing that little kids get safely on the bus every morning. 
      Having a neighborhood watch program gives a heightened sense of awareness.  Neighbors (when able) keep an eye out for suspicious activity & report it to the police.  Zimmerman was going to the store.  He wasn’t out on patrol.
      I live on a dead end street where I can see the entire street. If someone walks or drives down my street that I don’t recognize, I watch them out my window to see what they’re up to. If they go up to one of my neighbor’s door and get a friendly greeting, I stop watching and go back to whatever it was I was doing.

      1. CarolParks says:

        Your wrong. In Gated communities, there are rules, & regulations. You have to have a code to open the gate to get in. Security, or watch people are voted in. Very rarely are they not. But, anyone involved with security for the community Meets everyone in that community. That way they know who ” strangers” are. And people living in gated communities all have a voice as to what is going on. This is Standard.

        1. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks
          And what’s the rule for when you’re attacked by someone you think is a criminal? 
          In fact, GZ didn’t just think Traybong was a criminal, Traybong was in fact a criminal.  In almost every jurisdiction, assault & battery is a felony.
          And some of the people in GZ’s community did have a voice in what was going on as they called 911 in an effort to save GZ’s life.  But unfortunately, GZ was forced to act to save himself from serious injury before the police arrived.

          If Traybong
          had only gone home & gotten a friendly greeting from his father, GZ would’ve
          realized he was wrong about what Traybong was up to & gone back to whatever he was doing before he
          decided to keep an eye on him.
          But Traybong did not die in vain.  His death will serve as a lesson to others of what not to do in a situation like that.

        2. CarolParks says:

          WOW! Now you have revealed who you are! Either Gaffee, or GZ’s brother. ” Traybong”? Really? The Criminal, who has. a Past Filled with Arrest’s, & Failures, & Reject’s for becoming a cop, & even Fired from being a Security Officer, & on drugs because he was such a Loser, was none other then THE MURDERER! You Know the guy who had. A restraining Order for Abusing his Ex Girlfriend? You know the guy who was Arrested for hitting a Cop? The Same PERVERT who Sexually Molested His Own Cousin! A CHILD MOLESTER! Yes ZIMBO FAT PIG had an Arrest Record, & a Long History of Criminal Abuse. Daddy got him out of trouble, Constantly. Now this time, Daddy couldn’t save him. You have shown Who You Are, & it’s Despicable!

        3. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, Where do you get off calling the VICTIM in a Murder, a name? The MURDERER took drugs, & also smoked weed. Smoking weed is something Most people have done. But, that has Nothing to do with this case. Weed makes you mellow. The drugs GZ took can make you violent. GZ was a LOSER his Whole Life. A Child Molester, yes he is a PERVERT! Abusing his ex, hurting a woman in a bar, hitting a Cop, being Rejected from the Police, Fired from being a Security Guard, harassing a Co-Worker…. Long Record Including a criminal arrest record,

        4. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, you Have shown who you are, with your childish name calling of a VICTIM of MURDER! GZ, The Perverted Child Molester, Racist, Woman Abuser, CRIMINAL, Cop hitter, Fired From working in Security, & REJECTED From The Police Dept., LOSER, & MURDERER. SCUMBAGS , always stick together. THE MURDERER will get his Due one way or another. Like I have said, Karma is a Bitch!

        5. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          There’s great hatred in your eyes all the way
          If I believed all your lies, would you say                     I’m a man of great convictions?
          I’m a man who doesn’t know
          How to take your contradictions                             You come and go
          You come and go
          Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon
          You come and go
          You come and go

        6. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, what is this? Poetry? LMAO! What R you Smokin over there? I know you are feeling Guilty, because you realize G Z is a Murderer. Just admit it, you know I am right. Oh, & I don’t have hatred in my eyes, & I tell the Truth, but it’s hard for some to hear.

        7. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, and here is why he will be found guilty
          http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/11/prosecutor-tells-jurors-george-zimmerman

        8. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks
          Here’s a major premise of the prosecution’s argument, as set forth in the article you just sent to me:
           “He (referring to Trayvon) is dead through no fault of his own.”   
          There’s no evidence of that.  The prosecutor was supposed to produce evidence showing GZ started the fight & didn’t  fear getting a serious injury in the fight.
          But the prosecution didn’t produce any evidence of that. 
          Has a justice system become so corrupt that it would convict someone even though the evidence failed to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty?  What happened to the old adage, “It’s better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer punishment.”
          And google Bryan Stow & Emery Kauanui if you think someone can’t get seriously injured in a fight.

        9. CarolParks says:

          What do You know about Bryan Stow? He was beat into a coma by two Hispanic Gang members who jumped him from behind in L.A., at a Dodgers Giants game. Has nothing to do with Trayvon. I’m a huge Giants Fan. Hate those Dirty Dodgers.

        10. teabagthoselibs says:

          CarolParks You have not told the truth in even one post.  You are basing your opinions on conjecture and assumptions, not a good thing to do if you want true justice. That may not be hatred in your eyes, but you sure are blinded by something.

        11. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, the duty of any watch person, according to the police, which was evidenced in trial, is to be the eyes & ears ONLY, & Never to be a vigilante. That was stated, & a sign shown during the trial. You cannot take the law into your own hands. gZ followed, after being told not to, & most importantly he got out of his truck. He reported this ” suspicious” person to the police, all he had to do was let them do their job. That is all a neighborhood watch person is supposed to do. And Trayvon was an innocent kid, under the age of 18. You cannot touch a Minor, which Trayvon was. Bryan Stow, & Emery Both had more then 1 person beating them. Stow was jumped from behind & kicked in the head & has brain damage. GZ had a scratch on his head that warranted a band aide? He probably got that when he fell on the sidewalk after grabbing Trayvon from behind. Trayvon went skiing, traveled, and was graduating & going on to college. He was definitely a normal, middle class kid. A lot of teens, & others smoke weed. That is nothing. & did he smoke once or a few times? No one knows. He was Never arrested.
          GZ has a Criminal background. He has been arrested, been accused of child molestation, been fired for harassing a co- worker, had a restraining order because he was abusive with his ex. He is the one with a Criminal past, Not Trayvon. He also was on prescription drugs for behavior problems. There is also evidence of GZ using weed and other drugs. This is what will come out in a civil trial. I am very confused how you can Ignore these things about GZ? Because you do ignore it. Trayvon’s parents are an example of how all parents should be. They have acted with such amazing Class throughout this whole thing despite losing their beloved son. On the other hand the Zimmerman family has acted like trash. The brother comparing Trayvon to some Thug, the Dad whining about his son having to be on trial like he is above the law. They have made many ” unclassy” comments, & their friend Taffee, who has a criminal past & comes off as a real jerk does not garner sympathy from the public. The two families are as different as night and day. And Trayvons family is showing Real Class. Trayvon was very interested in becoming a pilot, & had a bright future. His brother is in college, & very well spoken, & intelligent. This is what the Majority of people are seeing & why they see the truth. I wish you could, but something is blinding you from the truth.

        12. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          There is no evidence GZ acted as anything other than the eyes & ears of the police before he was attacked by a criminal.  Had TM survived he was likely going to prison for felony assault & battery.
          And everyone acts nice when they’re on camera.  It’s how they behave when nobody’s looking that counts.

          Sean Noffke testified on the first day of the trial that dispatchers do not to give orders to callers. “We’re directly
          liable (meaning they can get sued) if we give a direct order.” “We always just give suggestions.” “We don’t need
          you to do that” is different than a more direct “Don’t do that.”
          Besides a dispatcher is not even a police officer.
          You were played on the whole dispatcher theme by the civil attorneys for TM’s parents.  Those attorneys are waiting for another big pay day to come out of this.
          BTW, people don’t need a civil attorney in a criminal trial.  But TM’s parents had civil attorneys from the get-go.  And those attorneys shaped the narrative that you naively fell into because if GZ is convicted it makes their job that much easier.

  19. EricFreeman says:

    res ipsa loquitur

    1. bwdn2008 says:

      EricFreeman Yes they do!

    2. MoFreedom says:

      EricFreeman  
      If you’re referring to the cuts & bruises all over GZ’s head, then I totally agree.

  20. JBReal says:

    we know better

  21. JasmineMayo says:

    https://www.facebook.com/QUEEENJAZZE?hc_location=streamAfter my investigation.. and this is my scenario: Trayvon was fighting for his life that February 26 night….Zimmerman was following this young teenager, you have to remember we are talking about a young teenager…George Zimmerman met his match that night when Trayvon had to defend himself… those screams came from George Zimmerman bc Trayvon was giving him a beat down..Trayvon had no reason to be screaming….Sorry Mom….Trayvon dad had it right when he said at first that wasn’t his son screams……As a matter of fact Zimmerman is still breathing life…He can make those same screams right now…Trayvon can’t bc of his evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks……

    1. bwdn2008 says:

      queenjazze The person who was screaming for help stopped after the gun went off. That is not a grown man screaming like that it was Trayvon. I don’t care how man of Georges Friends say it was him. None of them have ever heard George scream like that and they are all supporters of him.

      1. queenjazze says:

        Zimmerman could not get to the gun when the fight broke out….They was in the wet grass rolling..Trayvon was on the top at first, then Zimmerman ended up on the top of Trayvon, that when Zimmerman had a chance to pulled that gun out.we all have our opinion…That’s mine and I am sticking with it…love you all..but I disagree with some of you…i love a debate..https://www.facebook.com/QUEEENJAZZE/posts/10200494094932757?comment_id=5130398&offset=0&total_comments=1 · https://www.facebook.com/QUEEENJAZZE#

        1. JayRi1 says:

          queenjazze That fight didn’t start in the grass.  I am willing to wager Zimmerman was locked and loaded before he caught up with Martin.

        2. vjordan46 says:

          queenjazze 
          okay, look at the evidence. why wasn’t his pants and jacket dirty 45 minutes after the altercation took place. If he were screaming and fearing for his life, why was he still clean, with only small areas of blood on his face and on the back of his head? Come on Queenjazze, are you saying that Trayvon Martin was an evil person, paranoid, person? Really?

    2. vjordan46 says:

      queenjazze 
      good point, I wonder why the prosecution did not ask for Zimmerman to scream during the trial, this is if the Judge would have allowed for this to take place in the court room, if it were Zimmerman, he could have made a similar sound, to what was heard on the tape.

  22. JayRi1 says:

    When I worked security in a public high school I was a little heavier than George Zimmerman, and I was around 29-30 years old.  I got into a lot of scrapes with belligerent teenagers ranging anywhere from 125-250 lbs.  A bigger kid is tougher to move but as far as raw strength is concerned no kid 150 lbs is a match for a grown man with half a brain in his head.  Trayvon never stood a chance against a 250 lb George Zimmerman, simple combat physics leans too much in favor of Zimmerman.  Even if he didn’t think he could take the kid in a straight up fight he never would have stepped to him had he not been carrying a loaded weapon.

    1. CarolParks says:

      JayRi1 Without that gun, GZ never would have followed.

      1. TerryGetrightBolton says:

        Like GZ’s MMA, GZ is soft that’s why he carried a gun. But if he gets off he’ll nev r legally be able to carry a gun. So he’s back to being soft.

        1. CarolParks says:

          He’s a sociopath. If someone doesn’t kill him first, he will kill again. My point about him not following Trayvon without a gun, is that he is a coward. He has beat up his ex- girlfriend, broke a ladies ankle in a bar when he threw her against the wall, got fired from harassing a coworker, & was accused of molesting his cousin, from the time she was a child for ten years. He is scum to me. He will probably get off because not one AA was on that jury. And Florida seems so bigoted to me. But, he won’t get away with it. Karma is a Bitch, & it’s coming for him.

        2. CarolParks says:

          Oh, & That Murderer is soft, soft in the head.

  23. vjordan46 says:

    After reviewing the information above, I pray that the jurors really review the evidence. While many believe that Zimmerman’s team is winning this battle, I do not believe that many have paid attention to the evidence. Evidence speaks louder than words, and in this case, it is hard to believe that Zimmerman was fighting for his life when he had all the advantages over Trayvon. He had the gun, he was heavier, and he had been training to fight and lose weight. hummm, I pray that Trayvon gets justice in this case. It is only the right thing to do.

    1. CarolParks says:

      Vjordan46. You are right, GZ is a Murderer. Guilty as hell, & all the evidence points to that. But, this trial is being held in Florida, with an all white jury, & no AA on that jury which is Wrong. This to me is Not justice. And, I think this white jury will not do the right thing. I read the profile on each juror, & it does not look good for Justice. Florida is too bigoted, & they should have had 2 or 3 AA on that jury. That is why GZ looks so Arrogant, & Smug in court. But, I still think one way or another he will get what’s coming to him. Karma is a Bitch!

      1. MoFreedom says:

        CarolParks 
        Are you trying to incite a riot if Zimmerman is acquitted?
        Because right now, acquittal is the likely outcome.  And if there is a riot, the blood of innocents will be on the hands of people like you.
        What’s going on now is the operation of our legal system, perhaps with imperfections, but still the best in the world. 
        Normal people live with the results, whether they like them or not.

        1. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, I will tell you it is everyone’s Right To Protest Peacefully, Any Injustice we see here in America. There will be marches in San Francisco, New York, & many big cities across the U.S. & I will be marching. No AA on that jury? It’s bad enough it’s being held in Florida. You seem to think this is mostly AA marching. Last time in S.F. We marched for justice for Trayvon , there were as many whites if not more marching. Many people of all colors are upset with the unjust legal system in this country, & the police brutality that is getting worse with everyday. It is our right to march peacefully & we will. You are very naive’ check out the protests of Occupy. We were peaceful yet the police beat many people & yes they were white, including a Iraq War Vet who was a hero. They almost killed him. Parents of all cultures are protesting the Murder of Trayvon. Stop watching Fake Fox Lies, your brain is turning to mush.

        2. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, our Legal system is Corrupt, our Prisons are now nothing but for Profit Business’s. our country is self imploding because the corruption is so obvious, people who never thought of protesting now are. Occupy came into existence because of all of this corruption. Do you know why so many people got upset with Paula Deen? And more Whites then Anyone else demand that she lose everything? Because we are sick of Racism, the Tea Bags, the Corrupt Congress, & the Racist GOP. And our Gov. Who promotes racism. You don’t see or hear us but we are here in much bigger numbers. That is why Pres. Obama was reelected. We were not going to allow Mitt RobMe get in. This country needs change

        3. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          Actually, I have been watching Nancy Grace & Dr. Drew. 
          So, when you make snap judgements about me & get things woefully wrong, don’t you have to stop & ask yourself what else have you been making rash & completely wrong judgments about? 
          BTW, what you just did is called prejudice.

        4. peggy70a says:

          CarolParks I love the comments you are making. Yes Americans are sick and tired of the “same old soup warmed over”. My granddaughter and her boyfriend were involved in OWS in Austin,Tx. They did not have a rally for the one year anniversary because the police had become so aggressive they feared for their safety. Is it strange that America is “supposed to be free but if you protest they treat you the same way as if you are in Iran,Iraq or any country that is ruled by tyranny.

        5. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, I am ” judging” you by your own very twisted comments on here. Many are replicated by Sean Hannity, & Bill O’Reilly, & that scum bag Taffee who is on Nancy Grace. And what you are doing is spreading Ignorance by your twisted version, & made up ” facts” on here. You have a right to your opinion, but you do not have a right to lie about the Fact’s. those you cannot change.

        6. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          Exactly. The facts are the facts.  But you seem to be judging Zimmerman by your version of the facts.

        7. barehandedspank says:

          MoFreedom CarolParks most people to call it as they see it. It’s hard to sympathize with the only person who brought a loaded 9mm to a fist fight. He took the law into his own hands instead of waiting for the law to get there. Trayvon was not between houses peeking into windows. He was not hopping fences into backyards. He was walking and talking on his cell phone. I hardly call that suspicious. I wouldn’t even have called the police much less stalk and pursue the kid. George is a loser. He has been getting trouble his whole life and Daddy always saves him from prosecution. No matter what the verdict, he will pay for his crime. Because Mommy and Daddy will not be here forever. And he will screw up again. It seems he screws up a lot. Maybe his medication made his mind make a mountain out of a mole hill? idk… all I do know is a teenage boy took a break from playing video games to go to the 7-11. He did absolutely nothing wrong.

      2. MoFreedom says:

        CarolParks
        Here’s the beginning.
        http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story
        And like wise people say, “Karma is a Bitch!”

        1. CarolParks says:

          What happened in that story is the Murderers Fault! This Psycho is Responsible. And Yes Karma is a Bitch, & it’s coming for him. Then the country can Party!

  24. queenjazze says:

    https://www.facebook.com/QUEEENJAZZE?hc_location=streamAfter my investigation.. and this is my scenario: Trayvon was fighting for his life that February 26 night….Zimmerman was following this young teenager, you have to remember we are talking about a young teenager…George Zimmerman met his match that night when Trayvon had to defend himself… those screams came from George Zimmerman bc Trayvon was giving him a beat down..Trayvon had no reason to be screaming….Sorry Mom….Trayvon dad had it right when he said at first that wasn’t his son screams……As a matter of fact Zimmerman is still breathing life…He can make those same screams right now…Trayvon can’t bc of Zimmerman’s evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks……When have you ever heard of a person who is the beater sceaming? Never, Trayvon was the one who was giving Zimmerman the beat down…Trayvon was scared that night, and he could have gave that first punch…However, Zimmerman provoked the whole situation, and he needs to pay for taking Trayvon life……You misunderstood me, i wasn’t calling Trayvon evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks….1

  25. queenjazze says:

    ….When have you ever heard of a person who is the beater screaming? Never, Trayvon was the one who was giving Zimmerman the beat down…Trayvon was scared that night, and he could have gave that first punch…However, Zimmerman provoked the whole situation, and he needs to pay for taking Trayvon life……You misunderstood me, i wasn’t calling Trayvon evil, paranoid, and hatred of blacks….

    1. vjordan46 says:

      queenjazze ;
      Sorry Queenjazze that I misunderstood you post; thanks for the clarification dear heart.

  26. DimpleZ says:

    It’s my opinion that GZ took his gun out before the struggle with TM. Remember when GZ does the walk through with the detective he tells them as soon as TM asks him if he has a problem, he began looking for his cell phone in his right pocket (the only thing on his right side was his gun). I believe he pulled his gun out at that point and TM was trying to keep him from shooting him which supports the testimony of the lady who said there were arms flailing in a standing position and supports the DNA evidence of TM fingerprint on GZ right lower sleeve of the jacket.
    As far as the injuries I believe GZ self inflicted most of them (possibly all of them) which would explain why no blood is running from the nose. By the way Dr Maio just testified that the swelling went down fast bcus the nose bone was put back in place

    1. TerryGetrightBolton says:

      I believe that you are 100% correct.

  27. TerryGetrightBolton says:

    GZ also said during his recount of what happened. That hewas on his knees and spread TM’s arms out, with gun in hand. But TM was found clenching the hole in his chest, lying on his stomach.

  28. vjordan46 says:

    I am done conversing with you via this blog because, to me, you are ignorant and as far as I am concerned, you deserve no more response from me. My wish is that nothing happens along the lines to you or your family members involving this situation, and if it does, and it happens to be Zimmerman, then and only then will you understand what it feels like.
    Be Blessed

  29. queenjazze says:

    You’re very welcome…I am by no means rooting for Zimmerman….Trayvon should be still with us…Enjoying his life and having fun….Sad he gone…I raised a son and daughter…hardest job on earth…thx
    Zimmerman almost got his head beaten off, and you don’t go to the Emer Room? he’s not playing with a full deck…. Seriously!

    1. JBReal says:

      queenjazze Absolutely. He didn’t want to because he had to go home and inflict some more damage lol

    2. MoFreedom says:

      queenjazze 
      When I was young, I got punched hit in the face on three different occasions where my brains got scrambled.  The trauma caused me to lose all memory of what happened on two of the occasions.  On the third, I went to a college class afterwards & tried to take notes.  But at the end of class I didn’t have anything written in my note book & didn’t have a clue what the professor said.  I had to borrow notes from a girl in my class to copy.

      Did I act rationally afterwards on those 3 occasions?
      I couldn’t tell you.  My brains were too jumbled by the blows.

      1. YoungStretch says:

        @MoFreedom your brain seems to be still jumbled by the blows

        1. MoFreedom says:

          YoungStretch 
          You could be right.  I fought a lot when I was young & got hit in the head more than those 3 times.  Those were the 3 times my memory was serverly impaired.
          The time I went to class, my head felt like it was buzzing.  Some call that getting your bell rung or getting put on queer street.
          And Zimmerman may have gotten his bell rung & that’s why he forgot some of the details about what happened.

        2. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, I knew there had to be a reason you weren’t thinking straight on this case.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          And it could be why GZ had some of the details about what happened mixed up.

  30. TerryGetrightBolton says:

    I’m impressed so far I have not read one comment from any of the trolls who get on this site pretending to to be black.

  31. TerryGetrightBolton says:

    Guilty or not GZ is done. Nancy Grace even knows it. She’s not gonna make another mistake like she did with Casey Anthony.

  32. peggy70a says:

    What happened to the law that you are to use enough force to stop an assault?    I heard a judge say that  If someone hits you you cannot  whip out a gun and shoot them or  use a knife and kill them.  So with George Zimmerman having  a gun how in the world can his shooting Trayvon Martin be self defense? Since when are Skittles and Tea a weapon?

    1. MoFreedom says:

      peggy70a 
       All Zimmerman had to do was reasonably fear he would suffer a serious injury if the fight continued.  If he could have stopped Trayvon’s assault, perhaps he would have.  But he wasn’t in any position to do that (and that’s why “stand your ground” is not an issue in this trial–Zimmerman had no opportunity to retreat after Trayvon got on top of him).  Zimmerman was on the receiving end of a serious beatdown.  His choices were to allow Trayvon to continue to pummel him or shoot Trayvon.
      Even though Zimmerman may have managed to parry or block some of Trayvon’s blows, the very next punch or elbow that Trayvon threw could have put Zimmerman into a coma.  And Zimmerman didn’t want to risk that.
      Skittles & tea are not dangerous weapons, but a persons hands & elbows can be, especially if the victim is getting hit repeatedly by them.

      1. peggy70a says:

        MoFreedom peggy70a Then society may as well go back to the Wild West Days”!  Why have policemen if anytime anyone is getting their ass kicked in a fight we are allowed to whip out  a weapon and take a life!!!  If George Zimmerman had not followed Trayvon Martin after he was asked not to he would not have become involved in an altercation.  Tell me you , me or anyone else would not be  concerned with someone following them in the daytime let alone at night.  I am a 140l lb female and if he was following me I would have tried to protect myself  also.  He had a weapon and he was looking for trouble and because of  him a mother and father has lost a son.   But if the jury does not see that his actions were totally unreasonable “God”  help us all.  I can say the guy that tried that same theory did not fool or sway a Texas jury and I hope the same thing happens in Florida!!
        t

      2. CarolParks says:

        MoFreedom, you are truly delirious. Either your a bigot defending a Murderer, or clueless as hell. Either way, you are wrong.

      3. MoFreedom says:

        peggy70a
        I’m confused.
        In the first sentence you imply that Zimmerman’s defense of himself is a regression to the “Wild West Days.”
        Later, you say that you would defend yourself if the situtation called for it.
        If Trayvon had gone home, none of this would have happened.
        If I was being followed by a strange man, I’d get to the safety of my home right away. The last thing I’d do is assault the man following me. And for all you parents out there, that’s good advice to give your children.
        There is no evidence Zimmerman was looking for trouble. He was surveilling a person he didn’t recognize & thought was acting suspicious in a neighborhood that was experiencing a high rate of crime. That sounds perfectly normal to me.
        Señor Zimmerman was apparently no match for Trayvon’s fighting skills, yet that did not mean he had to suffer a serious injury.

        1. CarolParks says:

          I bet MoFreedom is related to the Murderer. Or is he Taffee?

        2. barehandedspank says:

          MoFreedom peggy70a if a fist fight justifies using a gun and shooting someone in the heart, then every bar fight would end with someone dying. Besides, in the reenactment video, George demonstrates reaching for his gun. He reached to his back hip. If he were on his back with Trayvon straddling him, how did Trayvon see it? How did he pull it out of the holster if he’s laying on it? The holster was an open top holster. No strap to fasten the gun in. If he was squirming to move away from the concrete and the gun on his backside, how did the gun stay inside the holster?

        3. CarolParks says:

          Barehandedspank, you are making sense! MoFreedom only understands Fantasy, & Lies. We could have a video showing GZ on top, shooting Trayvon, with ill will, & Trayvon screaming, & MoFreedom would still Deny what his own eyes, & ears were telling him. He’s brain dead, & unable to understand Facts! Or if he understands them, he lies to try & change them. We Know GZ is a Coward, & a Murderer. Remember Rodney King? Video, & those assholes still got away with it. No Justice In America!

        4. CarolParks says:

          Zimmerman should Never have stalked that kid, nor got out of his truck after being told not to. Nor used a gun in a fist fight. if Zimmerman had not done any of that Trayvon Martin would be Alive Today! Our kids have a right to walk public streets, & places where they visit & live! This Murderer, is GUILTY!

        5. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          Had the prosecution introduced evidence that Zimmerman started the fight (like your bar fight example) or that Trayvon had said, “Have you had enough yet,” you might be right.
          But a person who gets assaulted, knocked to the ground, & repeatedly punched in the face has a right to defend himself. And Zimmerman wasn’t able to fight Trayvon off with his hands.
          In the rain& the dark & with Trayvon wearing a hoodie, Zimmerman likely could not tell how old Trayvon was. And when Trayvon attacked him, Zimmerman probably thought Trayvon was in fact a criminal. Plus, Zimmerman had no idea what Trayvon intended to do to him as he pummeled him on the ground.

        6. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, LOL!

        7. mirchick says:

          MoFreedom peggy70a  Yo!!! Mo!!!  Really?!!?  If Trayvon had gone HOME??? He was GOING home!  He was on the PHONE…minding his own BUSINESS!!  Some a$$hole…clearly looking for trouble…sees a kid  who “looks suspicious”  How’s that? What…looking at the houses as he’s talking and chilling on the way home?  THAT’S suspicious?  Suppose Trayvon knew of the robberies, and suddenly some  wannabe FU@K is following HIM?  He’s uneasy, nervous…scared!  He runs, and now this predator is chasing HIM. (cause running while being black is even more suspicious than walking with a hoodie…in the rain. while being black…So he turns,  standing HIS ground…armed with candy and tea.  Of course he was no match for any king of mano a mano…ever!  That’s why he was packin heat.  A real bad a$$ bit@h.

      4. CarolParks says:

        MoFreedom that is such BS. The Lady who can’t speak English testified GZ was on top. There was. Conflicting testimony. This trial is Not Justice. And you twisting the fact’s & defending a Murderer makes you look like a bigot.

        1. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          The woman you’re referring to said she wasn’t sure.  But the neighbor who was much closer & who had a much better view said Martin was clearly on top.
          Plus, the defense’s expert witness (one of the most famous criminologists in America) said the forensic evidence showed Trayvon was on top.
          Bigotry is when you arrive at conclusions (emotional reations?) not based on the evidence.

        2. barehandedspank says:

          MoFreedom CarolParks an expert getting paid 400 bucks an hour.

        3. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, Another Lie. Read the transcript. The blonde lady who spoke Spanish, said she saw the man on top wearing a red jacket, which was GZ. It is stated in the transcript.

        4. CarolParks says:

          Barehandedspank , yes, and a former cop. Not much bias there! LOL!

        5. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          The woman you’re referring to didn’t know who was on top during the fight.  And that’s the critical time frame.  After Zimmerman shot Trayvon, he likely rolled over, placing himself on top of Travon (typical move in MMA fight) so he could get up. 
          The expert witness tesified that if Zimmerman had been on top of Trayvon when he shot him, Trayvon’s sweatshirt would have been right next to his body. 
          But forensics proved that Trayvon’s sweatshirt was 4-6 inches away from his body when he got shot, indicating Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman at that time.

        6. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, I’m not discussing anything more with you. Everything you have stated is a lie. Good-bye. Delusional Personified!

    2. CarolParks says:

      Peggy70 the Laws in Florida are different. apparently they favor the defense. They are saying because GZ was terrified for his life he had the right to shoot. That is why he is lying about his voice being the one screaming. It’s all BS

  33. queenjazze says:

    @peggy70a….Very true peggy….Trayvon could have used that can of Arizona Iced Tea for  a weapon…The sidewalk was available….I don’t think Zimmerman will get away with this…You never know…Casey  Anthony did…

  34. queenjazze says:

    WELL SAID CAROL…

    1. CarolParks says:

      Thanks Queenjazze! Just stating the Truth!

  35. vjordan46 says:

    MoFreedom;
    I do recall stating that I am done conversing with you. I refuse to waste my time in energy on ignorance, and due to the fact, you are ignorant, I am finished talking to you about anything related to this case.
    Be blessed, and may God bless your soul

  36. JBReal says:

    Seeing as though he has clearly stated  where he stands in this case which is opposite of the truth and on the side of bigotry and preconception, I have made my final statement to him and I rest with that. Until he can resolve the issues of drugs and violence among his own youth, he cant tell me shit about mine and TRAYVON is MY youth so this Moron can stand down.

    1. CarolParks says:

      JBReal, I take it this comment is for MoFreedom? If so, I agree with you 100%! It’s a waste of time!

      1. JBReal says:

        CarolParks it was Carol am im sorry if it stung a little bc it was harsh but it was meant for bigots not reasonable people like yourself.

        1. CarolParks says:

          JBReal, don’t be silly. I just read what that ” thing” just said about Trayvon. Read my answer, I think it was a little more then harsh. Lol! The guy is Scum!

        2. JBReal says:

          CarolParks oh it was and he is scum…lol

        3. CarolParks says:

          JBReal. Very strange, 3 X’s now I have tried to post what I thought of that ignorant remark from MoFreedom, about Trayvon. & they are not posting it. 🙁

        4. JBReal says:

          CarolParks nuh uh…look in your livefrye account-it should show there

        5. CarolParks says:

          JBReal, you know who, is clearly White Trash. I’m surprised that more bigots aren’t on here posting.

        6. CarolParks says:

          I see my comments! Ha,ha!

        7. JBReal says:

          CarolParks they cant find the site bc its too black lol that’s why they aren’t here lol

        8. JBReal says:

          CarolParks glad u found them lol

        9. JBReal says:

          CarolParks see now the White girl is paranoid like blacks- now you see how it feels to be black and think that you’re hated when you’re not…lol its a conspiracy lol jk

        10. CarolParks says:

          Lol! Oh, No! I’m hated…whatever shall I do? You mean MoMo doesn’t like me? LMAO! Personally, I have never really cared what people think. 😉

        11. JBReal says:

          CarolParks just messing with you lol

        12. CarolParks says:

          JBReal ….whatever the reason, I’m glad. Those bigot’s are so damn stupid! Maybe they are all too busy watching that intellectual show.
          ..Honey Boo Boo! 😀

        13. JBReal says:

          CarolParks Lol Ill tell you where they are. On Youtube because I have been arguing with their ignorant asses for the last 3 weeks lol

        14. CarolParks says:

          JBReal. UTube ? Lol! Let them stay there. Watch out they are full of disease! K, I’m watching the news. Enjoy your evening & the Boobs on UTube!

        15. JBReal says:

          CarolParks you too lol im stick there now. I think I have caught the disease which is why I have to clean my comments up when I come on here lol. Its fun though toying with stupid people. Enjoy your news cast

  37. queenjazze says:

    https://www.facebook.com/QUEEENJAZZE QUEENJAZZE
    The shooting was not justified…It looks like some of the Defense Attorney does not have common sense when it comes to the basic facts..esp..David Otunga…he had the nerves to say none of injuries was life threaten….SO.. some of these injuries you might see in a sweetheart fight…I have a problem with that..David must be watching a black and white TV..Joey Jackson, Tanya went along with David..omg…Darren Kavinoky, Monica, are the only ones that made sense with Zimmerman injuries….Zimmerman head and nose was real bad on my TV..The gun was not out when the two started fighting….You just can’t ignore Zimmerman head, and nose fractured..If Zimmerman hadn’t got to that gun when he was screaming for his life…Trayvon would have beaten him to death…Trayvon was trying to defend himself, and Zimmerman needs to pay for it….Zimmerman was the primary aggressor…Why you all don’t understand that part of it…I hate to repeat myself, but when have you ever seen or heard a person screaming for their life if they’re not the beater? Trayvon had grass stains on his pants knees…Trayvon knuckles was swollen…Please deal with the facts Defense Attorneys….UPDATE: I didn’t like the prosecutor closing….Thank God they get another try at closing…

    1. CarolParks says:

      This Case Is Not That Difficult. It Should Be A Slam Dunk For Murder.
      Now there has been conflicting testimony about who was on top. A lady who could only speak Spanish, testified that the man on top wore a red jacket. That would have been GZ. Whether GZ was on top or on the bottom, it would have been impossible for Trayvon to reach for that gun. The DNA testing showed Trayvons DNA was not on the gun. Trayvons hands, especially the knuckles did not have bruising which he should have had if he were pummeling GZ.
      People who defend this murderer are ignoring the real facts in this case. GZ kept following Trayvon, after being told not to. The timeline proves that. I believe it is very possible that GZ grabbed Trayvon, & they both fell on the cement & that is when GZ got those tiny cuts to his head. They both were fighting and rolled onto the grass & Trayvon punched GZ in the nose. That is when GZ pulled out his gun & Trayvon screamed. The Murderer then shot Trayvon, & the screaming immediately stopped. He was the Aggressor from the minute he started to follow Trayvon. You cannot say you were doing this in self defense once you are deemed to be the Aggressor.

      1. teabagthoselibs says:

        CarolParks you are amusing.  This situation is much too serious for you to post your jokes.

  38. queenjazze says:

    I am for the Prosecutor in this case…..In my  view the prosecutor lost the case bc you can’t ignore the injuries GZ had….Facts are powerful…Jurors like facts…
    If  State had used Queenjazze scenario it would have been a slam dunk. closing……Don’t say to those jurors GZ …..lied about everything….

    1. MoFreedom says:

      CarolParks
      Here’s what the judge told the jury:
      Judge Debra Nelson told the panel they must find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. “You must presume innocence. … Zimmerman is not required … to prove anything,” she said. “The state must prove the alleged crime was committed. It’s up to the state to prove his guilt.”

      1. CarolParks says:

        MoFreedom, Duh! That’s standard in any trial. I would have no problem coming back with a Guilty verdict. And you are so sure it will be not guilty, but You don’t know!

        1. teabagthoselibs says:

          CarolParks We can only hope and pray that you are never picked for any jury of any kind, anywhere!  Your posts are void of any cognitive thought process at all.  How do people like you exist?

    2. MoFreedom says:

      CarolParks 
      Wow!  Michael Savage, your guru & Karma adviser, thinks GZ is guilty.
      Unfortunately, I believe MS is somewhat of a kook.  
      He’s so old he may have an age-related decrease in cerebral volume,  common in people his age. 
      So, I remain unconvinced.

      1. CarolParks says:

        MoFreedom, I can’t stand him. I never listen to him, but when I googled who’s defending Trayvon, his name came up. & right away Bingo! I thought of you! I figured with all of your crazy rants on here, he was Your Hero!

        1. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          As I told you, he sounds like a kook.  I checked him out on Wikipedia because he’s not on TV or radio where I live.
          Again, you’re prejudging me.  I thought only bigots do that.

        2. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, Lol! Lucky you, he is insane. Yes, that’s right I’m a bigot. I’m so glad you have me all figured out.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          You think Michael Savage is insane, yet you told me GZ had to be guilty because Michael Savage said he was?  Hmmmmm?

        4. CarolParks says:

          I told you the minute I saw that name, I figured he was your Hero! & since he was on Trayvon’s side, how could you argue? 😀

  39. queenjazze says:

    If any doubt for jurors in my view would be the testimony that came from Selma Mora on Day 4….And Day 5..John Goods…#HLNZimmermanTrial

  40. MoFreedom says:

    Really?  We all grew up on the school grounds.  And we knew that there were some guys who could clean your clock in a heartbeat & others that couldn’t fight worth shit.
    Muhammad Ali won Olympic Gold at age 18.  Wilfred Benitez won the professional  welterweight boxing championship when he was 17. 

    Do you really want people to think Trayvon was screaming like a little girl on that 911 call?  Is that the last memory you want people to have of Trayvon?

    1. bwdn2008 says:

      MoFreedom Umm so you are trying to say we should not accept that 17 year old Trayvon was screaming and crying. Big old stinky George Zimmerman was in his face with a gun so he may have been screaming. But in your racist mind it is okay for George Zimmerman to be screaming and crying but not for Trayvon. Your mind is warped and twisted by your racist thinking and scenarios.

      1. MoFreedom says:

        bwdn2008 MoFreedom  
        Where’s the racism in what I said?  
        Yvette suggested a 17-year old couldn’t beat GZ in a fight.  But I’ve observed GZ on TV & seen pictures of TM.
        Call me a racist (because you seem to see racism in everything & everyone), but I think TM cleaned GZ’s clock.

        1. devastor9999 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 how come none of TRAYVON`S HAND ARE NOT BRUISED WHY and if i know i got a gun what hurts more a bullet or concrete

        2. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 Go online and look at the videos of him going into the Sanford police departmet. No grass stains on his jacket or dirt or concrete tears on his jacket. In fact his jacket is pristine.
          No bruising or bandages on his head. That would be consistent with slamming and bamming on the sidewalk.
          Racism or no racism it is just not consistent with a fight happening at all.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          conchman44MoFreedombwdn2008 
          The prosecution
          team had been involved in over 500 trials.And in case you have no frame of reference that is an very impressive
          number.Plus, they were the best &
          most experienced lawyers the prosecution had. 
          But like in cards, they had to play the hand they were dealt.And they got dealt a hand that should have
          never been played because it was a dead-bang loser from the start.
          If those
          highly experienced lawyers thought that what you’re saying had any value, they
          would have banged that drum in the courtroom all day long.What does the fact that they didn’t tell you?
          Here’s what
          one of the best lawyers in America (he teaches law at Harvard University &
          was on the O.J. defense team) had to say about the matter.
          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/14/alan_dershowitz_zimmerman_special_prosecutor_angela_corey_should_be_disbarred.html
          I recommend
          that you spend more time listening to persons like him instead of the
          race-baiters that are trying to increase tensions & widen the divide
          between people.

        4. salgie1030 says:

          Well said,,,,Thanks
          MoFreedom conchman44 bwdn2008

        5. MoFreedom says:

          conchman44MoFreedombwdn2008
          I just found this.   
          According to the report given by Officer Timothy Smith, the first on the
          scene, Zimmerman’s “back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass,
          as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also
          bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”

        6. MoFreedom says:

          conchman44 MoFreedom bwdn2008 
          The police arrived on the scene 1 minute after the shot was fired.
          The evidence in the police report supported everything GZ said.

        7. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom  Seems to me It was TM whose clock was cleaned.  Permanently.

        8. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I MoFreedom 
          And let that be a lesson to all persons that think they can commit felony battery on a person under the cover of darkness with nobody around and get away with it.

        9. CarolParks says:

          AN ALL WHITE JURY IN RACIST FLORIDA. NOT ONE AA ON THAT JURY, & YOU CALL THAT JUSTICE. ? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. NO JUSTICE & THAT PROSECUTION WAS HORRIBLE, THEY WEREN’T EVEN TRYING TO WIN, NO DOUBT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO PUT ON A GOOD CASE & IT SHOWED! I marched Sunday in Protest, & I signed the petition for a Federal Case of a Hate Crime. The Murderer can only hide for so long, one day real justice will find him. Maybe sooner then you think.

        10. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom Me Myself and I  
          No, I heartily disagree, Mo.  
          Z was in the wrong the moment he left his truck. 
          It’s apparent you don’t know much about the rules of the Neighborhood Watch handbook. And it’s glaringly apparent that Z, who was a self appointed Watch captain, did not bother to study the handbook either.  
          The handbook states very clearly: 
          1. Work in TEAMS
          2. Wear IDENTIFYING clothing, T-shirts, caps, vests, jackets, reflective clothing or patches
          3. NEVER carry weapons of any kind, e.g. GUNS, blackjack, mace, baseball bat or knives
          4. NEVER challenge anyone.
          He did not abide any of these rules.  Nor did he abide the police dispatcher to stay by his truck. Instead he choose to take matter in his own hands, a self appointed vigilante, and stalked Trayvon.  
          Now it was Trayvon who needed to stand his ground because in his eyes Z was the suspicious person.  If that law was made for anyone, it was made for Trayvon that night.  
          Trayvon did not disobey the police.  Trayvon was minding his own business doing nothing wrong.  Trayvon was NOT the one stalking Z.  Z was the one who disobeyed the police and was the one stalking Trayvon.
          If Z had obeyed the Watch handbook and the cops that night we would not be having this conversation right now.   But mostly an unarmed 17 year old kid would be still be alive.
          Zimmerman is a liar and a murderer.

        11. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          Are you an admitted racist? Is this
          your coming out of the closet moment? If all whites are racists, then either
          you’re a racist, or you’re hiding behind someone else’s picture.
          Why did they need AA’s on the jury?
          Our legal system (and I’m using the term “our” broadly, because I’m
          not sure everybody here subscribes to the present legal system) requires that a
          person be tried by a jury of their peers. TM wasn’t on trial, GZ was.
          And if all AA’s were on that jury,
          I’m afraid GZ would’ve been lynched. Not because GZ was guilty, but perhaps
          because tribalism demands vengeance when a member of the tribe gets injured or
          killed.
          The prosecution team was comprised
          of the best & most experienced attorneys they had. Unfortunately, they had
          very bad facts to work with.
          And despite what you heard in fairy
          tales, it’s impossible to spin gold out of straw. And that’s what the
          prosecution was doing, grasping at straws.
          We’ll have to study the reasons why
          there is so much outrage in the AA community when things cool down & more
          rational minds prevail.

        12. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I,
          If
          you are right, then that rule book would’ve been exhibit #1 for the
          prosecution. But it wasn’t, because you just made that up.
          Each
          organized community (condo complexes, PDDs, & voluntary
          neighborhood associations) makes up its own rules. And there are
          probably hundreds of thousands of different community organizations across our
          country with different sets of rules. Only condo complexes & PDDs
          have mandatory rules. Otherwise, a person is free to do whatever he want
          within the confines of the law.
          Plus,
          Sean Noffke (the dispatcher) testified he didn’t tell Zimmerman to stop
          & get back in his car. He testified that Dispatchers don’t give
          orders because of liability issues. Instead, he testified dispatchers
          merely give suggestions to callers. Plus, 911 operators &
          dispatchers are not police officers.Wendy Dorival, a
          civilian with the Sanford police department, volunteered
          as a coordinator to make recommendations to would-be neighborhood watch
          groups.  And, “yes,” she does routinely tell the groups that they
          should just be the “eyes & ears” of the police, and not make any
          interventions or apprehensions.    In lawyer talk that is CYA (cover
          your ass) language.  Because if the police department told a citizen to
          get involved & the citizen got hurt, the injured citizen would sue
          the police department.  Dorival’s advice amounted to nothing more than a suggestion by a
          civilian volunteer.

        13. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom  You really should be less opinionated and more informed, Mo.  It is apparent you are just throwing crap out there with no regard to facts.
          Firstly I most certainly did not make those rules up.  Those are official.  
          There is a National Neighborhood Watch Institute.  And the NNWI specifically states that George Zimmerman violated all the basic rules of neighborhood watch volunteering. 
          The most egregious rule he violated is the carrying of a concealed weapon. Neighborhood watch volunteers are REPEATEDLY told that they are not the police and have NO authority to act as “sworn personnel.”
          Another rule violation: Getting involved with a crime, making an arrest, or injecting yourself in the situation. This is according to the National Neighborhood Watch Institute (NNWI), Mo.  And Z violated all of those rules.
          The NNWI Participants Handbook states, “Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff.”
          Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional “eyes and ears” for law enforcement. They DO NOT take the law into their own hands.
          Wendy Dorival, who coordinated neighborhood watch programs for the Sanford, Florida, Police Department in 2012, testified that George Zimmerman was **specifically** told NOT to pursue suspicious people in the gated community where he lived.  This on top of the fact that the dispatcher told him to stay with the truck.  This is two different times he disregarded rules and, to humor you, suggestions concerning stalking alleged suspicious persons.  In addition to completely disregarding the NNWI handbook. Yet he was the captain.  
          I reiterate, Zimmerman is a liar and murderer.

        14. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and IMoFreedom 
          Institutes like NNWI propose guidelines.  Nobody is obligated to
          follow them. The NNWI’s guidelines are neither law, nor carry the force of law.   And there is no evidence GZ’s neighborhood adopted them.
          Wendy Dorival is a civilian volunteer.  Her advice to GZ carried no more weight than my advice to you.  
          How
          can a neighborhood watch person keep an eye on a suspicious person on the move? 
          If GZ was supposed to be the eyes & ears of the police & TM was
          on the move, how could GZ keep an eye on him unless he moved too. 
          Notice the inconsistencies between the instructions to keep an eye on
          suspicious persons but don’t follow them?  
          The warning “not to
          follow” is for liability reasons.  The Sanford Police Dept. didn’t want
          to get sued if a neighborhood watch person got hurt while following someone.  Yet, everybody knows that neighborhood watch persons are supposed to keep an eye on suspicious persons in the neighborhood & report them to the police if they commit a crime.
          As Sean
          Noffke testified, the Sanford Police Department has the same policy for
          dispatchers for liability reasons.  Dispatchers merely make suggestions
          (and don’t give commands) so they won’t get sued if something goes
          wrong.

        15. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom Me Myself and I  There you go again, Mo, throwing out opinions instead of facts.  
          You didn’t even know there was an NNWI until I told you.  You were too busy telling me I made it all up. 
          The NNWI is official.  They are the ones who set the rules for the Neighborhood Watches in accordance with the police nationwide. Without the official guidelines and rules, there would be no neighborhood watches because then everyone would behave like Z did. God forbid.
          As to your silly question, “How can a neighborhood watch person keep an eye on a suspicious person on the move?”  He did his duty as eyes and ears the moment he called 911.  After that his duty was done, as the dispatcher told him to stay with his truck. Anything beyond  that was in direct  violation of the Neighborhood Watch rules and the direct admonition from the dispatcher to stay with his truck. 
          And this is not including the direct violations of carrying a weapon, not working in a team and having a identifying clothing. 
          Z himself admitted the dispatcher told him to stop. In a statementhe gave to police the same night he shot and murdered Trayvon, Z wrote that  a police dispatcher told him over the phone to stop pursuing Trayvon.
          “The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect and that an officer was in route,” Z HIMSELF wrote in that statement.
          The warning to not follow is for far more than mere liability problems.  The warning to not follow was to actively prevent what happened, the unnecessary killing of an innocent person. To prevent further crimes.  Liability is the least of it, Mo.
          In addition to all this, Z and his wife both have lied repeatedly throughout this case.  Z has no credibility and intelligent people know this. 
          Again, I reiterate, Z is a liar and a murderer.

        16. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and IMoFreedom
          Google NNWI & get its telephone number.  It will likely have a toll free number.  Call them tomorrow & ask them.
          You’ve got your mind made up & I’m tired of confusing you with the facts.

        17. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom Me Myself and I You’re not confusing me with facts, however you are frustrating me with your biased opinions.  
          I find it interesting how quickly you’re backing out of this discussion with me, but you’ve been shoving your opinions down everyone elses throat on this thread for three days.  *laffs*
          What?  You don’t want to discuss the lies he and his wife have told?  You just don’t want to face more proof that Z is guilty? 
          What’s happening here, Mo, is you don’t want to face facts.  You don’t want to admit I am right that Z is a liar and a murderer.

        18. salgie1030 says:

          devastor9999 MoFreedom bwdn2008 The reason Trayvons hands were not bruised was because he was dead within the next 5 minutes of pounding GZ. It is only common sense that after the heart stops pumping blood that your body can’t make bruises. I think that was confirmed  by the patholigist…

        19. salgie1030 says:

          CarolParksTrayvon Martin Remembered
          In the context of the trial, the evidence from Trayvon Martin’s cell phone and social media accounts could have been used to determine potential motivations and who was the aggressor. It’s apparent with 20/20 hindsight it wouldn’t have made a difference to the final verdict, but the judge never let the evidence be considered by the jury. Unless a civil suit is filed against George Zimmerman, this evidence is meaningless now except in the hands of political opportunists.
          Personally, in the end I think both were scared and overreacted. Trayvon just knew some “creepy a$$ cr*cker” was stalking him and tried to protect himself from a perceived threat. George just knew a potential thief was beating him up and fought back. So, in this sense, both acted in self defense and it’s a tragedy things ended this way.
          Painting Trayvon Martin as the complete innocent in order to make George look like a monster doesn’t seem justified. At the same time, calling Trayvon a thug can’t be justified without knowing the full context of the evidence. So we’re left with only questions and a sadness that events led to this conclusion.

        20. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I MoFreedom
          Here’re the facts: NNWI is an online retail store. If you buy enough of their stuff, they’ll throw in a cheap rule book, written by one of their part-time staff.
          The book says things reminiscent of Sgt. Phil Esterhaus on Hill Street Blues. 
          “Hey, let’s be careful out there.”

        21. CarolParks says:

          Salgie1030. This is not a complicated case. You have a wannabe cop, profiling a young teen, stalking him, ignoring orders not to follow, but follows anyway, gets out of his truck with a concealed, loaded weapon, with the safety off. He wanted to kill Trayvon, so he could be they” Hero”. It is so obvious, it’s pathetic. He’s a Murderer. Period.

        22. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKIN OVER THERE. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT I EVER SAID ALL WHITES ARE RACIST? NO WHERE. & I CERTAINLY AM NOT RACIST, & I BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST HALF OF WHITES ARE NOT RACIST. Where is this coming from? It sounds stupid as hell. I have many diverse friends, always have, so if someone calls them a name it hurts me. & pisses me off. Just because I tell the truth, & some cannot handle it. Again GZ is a Murderer. That will never change.

        23. CarolParks says:

          Me, Myself, & I. You are so correct! You are wasting your time with MoFreedom, he does not believe in Facts. We all know GZ has a long record of violence, arrests, & even child molestation. He lied and was caught on tape. He is a Murderer.

        24. CarolParks says:

          Me, Myself, & I boy have you got that right! No matter what you say, he won’t listen.

        25. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 If GZ was getting beat to a pulp, how could he get the gun from inside is rear waistband? Duhh? A magic trick I suppose.

        26. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom conchman44 bwdn2008 whether they did or not think what I say has value, you obviously think so or you would not have deferred to that line you just used.
          If they had used the reasoning that I put forth instead of chasing after facts of a non-existent fight, they would have thought more common sensibly. Just as they asked the jurors to do in the end. However, they never developed a common sense approach of their own. 
          They were poor. How could you not ask a doctor if he was serious, when he says, and you tell me if you believe this: he told them that a person could have their heart snatched out of their chest and walk and talk for 10-15 seconds. Now even you cannot believe that. But the prosecution never rebutted that themselves or with witnesses. Therefore I must conclude that they did not have TM’s best interest at heart. Because they did not fight very hard or well.
          Sort of like the lie GZ told. Not fighting hard or well. Only hard enough to somehow dig a gun from his back waistband while getting the hell beat out of him.

        27. MoFreedom says:

          conchman44MoFreedombwdn2008 
          First, people on here say GZ wasn’t getting hurt very bad.  Now, you’ve changed directions & are saying GZ was getting the snot beat out him.  Hmmm?
          But from a legal standpoint it doesn’t matter.  If GZ had already suffered serious bodily injury in a continuing fight, he was justified in using deadly force.  And if GZ hadn’t yet received that serious injury, but reasonably feared he might if the fight continued, he was justified in using deadly force.  

          Let’s see, they’re struggling on the ground & TM is straddling GZ, so GZ reaches inside TM’s leg & pulls out his pistol.  It’s not like TM’s leg was bolted to GZ’s side.  But suppose TM had a high straddle & was sitting on GM’s chest.  Then GZ could’ve  reached behind TM’s leg & pulled out his pistol.  And suppose GZ’s pistol was under him.  Then GZ just had to lean to his opposite side, giving him clearance to pull his pistol.
          Get a toy pistol, put it in your waistband at various places, have someone sit on you, & try it out.  You’ll see it’s not that difficult to do.
          Now, if TM knew what GZ was doing, he could have countered any of those moves.  But if TM was intent of punching GZ’s lights out, he may not have paid attention to what GZ was doing with his hands.  
          If Felix Trinidad had paid more attention to what Roy Jones was doing with his hands in 2008, he might have beat him.

          It isn’t like GZ was comatose, he was struggling, & moving.  You know, things like people commonly do in a fight.

        28. MoFreedom says:

          conchman44 bwdn2008  
          And BTW, Felix Trinidad was 17 years old when he became a professional boxer.

    2. CarolParks says:

      MoFreedom, if a gun was pointed at your heart you might be screaming too

      1. MoFreedom says:

        CarolParks  
        And how long do you suppose GZ pointed that gun at TM’s heart, because there were an awful lot of screams.
        Are you saying that TM was sitting on top of GZ screaming like a little girl while GZ pointed his gun at him?   
        And then after TM was dead, GZ pistol whipped himself with his own gun?
        Only problem is there isn’t much evidence that happened, except for those that said the little girl screaming was TM.

        1. CarolParks says:

          I’m saying GZ was on top of Trayvon, & pulled that gun out. He was dying to kill him, so he could be the big hero! He’s delusional as hell. Look at him in that court room, smug & arrogant as hell. Those jurors all have kids, he could be convicted.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          So, why did GZ let TM beat the crap out of him. If GZ was hell-bent on shooting TM why didn’t he just do it before TM started pounding on him.  
          Why didn’t GZ shoot TM when he was 3-4 feet away.  He couldn’t have missed at that range.

        3. CarolParks says:

          You never read what I thought about how this really happened. It was raining, I think GZ grabbed Trayvon & they fell on the sidewalk, & that’s when GZ got that little cut on his head, they continued to fight on the ground, & rolled onto the grass, & Trayvon punched GZ who was on top, & that’s when GZ took out the gun & shot him.

        4. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, if that verdict comes back Guilty, I bet you disappear from these boards! & I think it will. If not 2nd degree, then Manslaughter. & if he’s not convicted then he got away with murder.

        5. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          In our justice system, GZ is presumed innocent, and the prosecution has to prove what happened beyond a reasonable doubt.  I didn’t see evidence in the trial that proves beyond a reasonable doubt what you “think” happened.
          Did you realize that Jim Crow lynch mobs hung guys because those in the mob “thought” they were guilty? 

          But most believe trials subject to the rules of evidence & the requirement that the prosecution prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt affords greater justice.

        6. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          If GZ is convicted, what are you going to do, hang around on this site & give everybody that agrees with you a verbal high five?  That’s called gloating, isn’t it?

          I’m posting now in order to help people understand GZ’s position, because it appears everybody here is like-minded.
          After the trial, what reason would I have for hanging around your gloat party?

        7. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, not gloating, happy for his parents to see justice. AA don’t usually see justice in this country. BTW, you never answered me, why did you mention Bryan Stow? That was heart breaking.

        8. teabagthoselibs says:

          CarolParks Not one thing you posted has even the slightest bit of truth to it.  Not one piece of evidence indicates that what you said happened.  You have simply made up that entire scenario, for what reason I don’t know.

        9. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          To let you know that street fighting is a serious matter in which people can get hurt.  GZ was justified under the law in killing TM if he reasonably feared he might get hurt in the fight.

          As I pointed out, assault & battery is a felony in most jurisdictions, so if Trayvon had survived, he may’be been headed to prison.
          And street-fighting has no social value.

        10. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          The  Emery Kauanui story is equally heart breaking.
          His death resulted from a single punch after his head split open when he hit the pavement.

        11. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, I’m not going to argue about Trayvon anymore with you. We will have to agree to disagree. I’m a huge baseball fan. Giants die hard. That was not a street fight with Stowe, he was jumped. I will have to look up Emery. I hate these kinds of stories though I get really upset. Anyway, I have a question because of some of the things you have said. We’re you a professional fighter at one time? Is that why you had all those head injuries? I’m being serious here, not joking.

        12. CarolParks says:

          MoFreedom, hey I just read about Emery. 4 against 1, now those are cowards. What a shame, & in San Diego too. I love San Diego really pretty. Well, this is an ugly world filled with violence. I hope your head injuries are all healed. That’s dangerous to be Hit in the head.

        13. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          Emery beat the crap out of one of Seth Cravens’ friends, knocking one of his teeth out.  
          When Cravens (who is right handed) found out what Emery did to his friend, he followed him home & hit him with a single punch from his left hand.  Emery fell to the ground from the blow, hitting his head on the pavement. 
          Emery died as a result.  So, it wasn’t 4 against 1 as you suggest.  Cravens’ 3 friends were there at the time of Emery’s death, but Cravens struck the only blow.  Had Emery not died, the fight would have continued between Cravens & Emery.  The other 3 guys weren’t involved in the fight.
          And one never knows if their head injuries ever get totally healed.  Perhaps I could have achieve more in the world if my brain had suffered less damage.

        14. flameworker2 says:

          CarolParks Turns out, the jurors were all gun owners.  They love their guns more.

        15. CarolParks says:

          That whole trial was a farce. All white jury in the South. The prosecution did not do their job either. So disgusting. Our Legal System is Corrupt.

        16. MoFreedom says:

          flameworker2CarolParks 
          They probably live in fear that they’ll be attacked in the dark with
          nobody around to help them & have no other way of defending
          themselves against a rapist or mugger.

        17. salgie1030 says:

          MoFreedom CarolParks Thanks for being an intelligent voice.   These people act like having your head repeatedly slammed onto concrete is no big deal.  I just fell onto concrete and it rang my bell so badly that I couldn’t get up and felt as if I was going to pass out.  I think that from now on if you are acosted by a black person you are better off not to do anything and pray you don’t die. I think this will show that if you don’t want to go what GZ has gone through then it is best to take the beating no matter how bad it gets. I guess if you are going to be jumped it is best that the attacker is of your own race because then at least you can fight back…GZ’s life has been ruined no matter what….

        18. salgie1030 says:

          CarolParks Where have you come up with this information?    Have you done any kind of research or were you just having us on????

        19. CarolParks says:

          Salgie1030. The Murderer said he had his head pummeled. The professional people who took the stand said it was a small cut. They could have at first fell on the sidewalk, which is when GZ could have gotten that small cut then rolled onto the grass, which is where he shot Trayvon. The only other person who knows the truth is Dead! How convenient.

        20. CarolParks says:

          Salgie1030. Google GZ’s past. He has Arrests & a long history of violence. Trayvon was a normal teen, tried weed, got into trouble at school, but nothing big, and Had No Arrest Record like GZ does. Trayvon went skiing in the snow, travelled, was going to college to become a pilot. He was a middle class kid. His Dad belonged to The Masons. His older brother is doing well at College.

        21. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks 
          When he first fell on the sidewalk?  You mean the way Emery Kauanui fell on the pavement & hit his head?  
          How about the forensic expert that said GZ had a broken nose, cuts on his face, severe bruising in both temple regions of his forehead, & cuts to the back of the head. 
          I’ve been in over 30 fights & I’ve never gotten cuts on the back of my head.
          And TM didn’t have a mark on him. 
          Plus, the police were on the scene 1 minute after the shooting.  GZ had no idea how long TM would live after he shot him.  So, if you’re correct, GZ should have fired every shot in his pistol at TM just be safe, right?  And he only had a minute to do it.

    3. JBReal says:

      MoFreedom
       MoFreedom OH WILL YOU JUST STFU ALREADY ABOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON BLACKS DAM_ WE GET IT>>>>YOU LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THINK YOU KNOW US BETTER THAN WE KNOW OUR SELVES> GET OFF THE THREAD AND FOR CHRIST SAKE DO SOME HOUSE KEEPING IN YOUR OWN FUCKING RACE WILL YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GEEZUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. MoFreedom says:

        JBReal MoFreedom  
        Damn, you sound like Trayvon & Rachel Jeantel.  
        I hope some soft Hispanic doesn’t get in your way when you’re that mad.

        1. JBReal says:

          Soft or hard don’t make a difference if I’m mad. Right now I am MAD bc I’m watching Django for the first time. And Mexicans are the least of my concerns.

        2. bwdn2008 says:

          JBReal I saw it and thoroughly enjoyed the characters. Especially the inbred, ignorant whites surrounding the plantations. I don’t have problems with Hispanics and in fact they come out and march with us here in the Bay Area. They are being beaten and abused by the police as often as young black males. We also march with them and most believe George Zimmerman is guilty!

        3. MoFreedom says:

          bwdn2008 JBReal  
          Why don’t we take the police out of the black & Hispanic communities?  The people there don’t seem to like them, and it costs the rest of us a lot of money to have them there.
          Perhaps we have finally found something we both agree on.

        4. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 JBReal Don’t worry about the black community, we will survive without your input. You better worry about those spree killers, mass murderers, rapist, and Serial Killers in your own community. Maybe you can mosey down to the nearest trailer park and tell the fathers there to stop raping their daughters and making inbred s like you. How about that?

        5. MoFreedom says:

          bwdn2008MoFreedomJBReal 
          Those spree killers, mass murderers, rapists, and Serial Killers are rare birds in my neck of the woods & there are no nearby trailer parks.

          I don’t belong to any neighborhood watch group, but I do keep a watch on my neighborhood.  That’s what neighbors do.

          But after what happened to GZ, I wouldn’t shoot a spree killer, mass murderer, rapist, or Serial Killer unless he came into my house. (Did you notice I profiled him.  I didn’t include females.  Is there a name for that?)

          Maybe we should create a charitable foundation for people that live in mixed communities like GZ did & raise money to buy football helmets for people that have to go out at night.

          I recognize you have things under control in your community and don’t need any outside help from whites (does that include tax revenues?). But if you’re serious about getting the police out of your community, you’ve got my full support.

        6. bwdn2008 says:

          MoFreedom bwdn2008 JBReal Yeah tell me anything. There are Trailer Parks outside and inside of every community in the United States. Having traveled back and forth throughout the country, I can attest to that. If you don’t know a Serial killer than you are probably one. I don’t need your help in getting the Police out of my community we are doing a good job on our own.

    4. conchman44 says:

      MoFreedom Oh, so you’re saying the 28 year old man was screaming like a little “GIRL”. Be REAL!
      I bet the people that Ali and Benitez hit as many times as it was said that TM hit GZ they had a lot more bruises and swellings than GZ came out of this with. No swellings or bruising at all. Sounds suspicious to me!

  41. flameworker2 says:

    Isn’t it interesting that they said the attacker was using MMA moves when Zimmerman was the one taking MMA classes.

    1. teabagthoselibs says:

      flameworker2 A scared fat guy lying on the ground getting his head bashed in is not MMA.  Straddling a person after you broke there nose is not a real tricky move.  Come one now.  Get real.

      1. flameworker2 says:

        teabagthoselibs flameworker2 I’m saying that it’s interesting how Martin’s moves were characterized as typical of MMA when it was Zimmerman who studied Mixed Martial Arts.  There were other witnesses that claimed he was on top.

        1. CarolParks says:

          Trayvon was found dead on the grass over 200 feet away from any concrete sidewalk. How did The Murderer have his head bashed when they were on the grass? Nothing but Lies from GZ

        2. ericjungleboy says:

          CarolParks Are you sure? Nothing in the photo appears to be anywhere close to 200 feet from the sidewalk. Actually, I recall a photo of the spot being quite close to the sidewalk. You may be confusing two separate pieces of info?

      2. conchman44 says:

        teabagthoselibs flameworker2 How come Trayvon’s sweatshirt has dirt stains from just falling on the ground after he was shot. But his pants at the knees has NO dirt. Looks like some after the fact grass stains. But it is obvious that much dirt would have been on the knees. Not just mild grass stains.

        1. CarolParks says:

          Conchman44 . I will do you one better. They say the Murderer had to shoot Trayvon, Because he was pounding his head into the Cement! Why then was Trayvon found dead in the grass with the cement sidewalk 200 feet away? GZ is a Liar & a Murderer.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          CarolParks  
          If you watched the defense’s summation, you’d have seen that the fight (as fights often do) moved.  GZ was struggling not to get hit & squirming around during  the fight.  Plus, GZ was on the bottom & had to roll TM over (called a “reversal” in MMA) in order to escape.  TM’s body was only 4 feet from the sidewalk.  
          But keep trying, you may yet come up with something for the lynch mob.  And you don’t have to try too hard.  Judging from the tweets I’ve seen, the mob is already set to kill GZ, which is ironic.  Because it appears blacks weren’t against lynch mobs & Jim Crow lynchings.  They’re angry because they were on the wrong end of the rope.

          Now, here’s one for you.  The coroner weighed TM’s body and it weighed 158 lbs.  But that was after TM had bled out.  So, add about 12 lbs. to that 158.

        3. conchman44 says:

          CarolParks Carol, one thing that folk need to accept. Otherwise confusion will reign: There was never a fight. The lack of dirt and mud on a raining night and the lack of dirt and mud on clothing testifies that no one was on the ground doing any fighting.
          Once you accept the lie that there was a fight, then all bets are hedged.

        4. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom CarolParks To MoFreedom,
          How could the whusk Zimmerman revers anything if this man Zimmerman was so poor at MMA that he would lose to his own shadow, as stated by his trainer, all of a sudden after being pounded mercilessly as you and Zimmerman contend would be able to do such a reversal. This is not play, play wrestling as you see on television. This was real life and it does not happen like that.
          cold blooded murder and nothing else.

        5. CarolParks says:

          This is all according to the Murderer. He is making up shit, because the other witness is dead. GZ has been caught in many lies already. No swollen knuckles or hands on Trayvon, no DNA under Trayvons nails or hands or shirt. No DNA from Trayvon on that gun either. The Murderer is a Liar.

        6. CarolParks says:

          Conchman44 no one really knows what happened. But, i do know because there was no DNA on Trayvon, or that gun, GZ is a Murderer. He stalked, and killed Trayvon in cold blood. ” they always get away” GZ wanted to be a big hero

        7. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom conchman44 CarolParks But if reversing him while dead produced that much dirt on his sweatshirt, how come all the intense movement on the ground produced no dirt on GZ’s back or TM’s white shoes or the knees of his pants. The grass pattern on his pants is obviously manufactured after the fact, because it is too even to have happened in such a fight as GZ contends.

        8. conchman44 says:

          CarolParks Exactly, GZ contends that the first punch broke his nose. If that is so repeated blows to the face would have produced so much blood splatter that it would have been obvious that a fight occurred. He did not want to be a hero but a killer. Because TM was not doing anything criminal for GZ to save the neighborhood from.

      3. conchman44 says:

        teabagthoselibs flameworker2 Pummeling someone with a broken nose would have produced a lot more blood splatter over GZ’s face and clothes as well as on TM’s sleeves. Then there would have been huge amounts of bruising and lumps all over his face and the back of his head.
        There was never any fight. In fact, Mr.Gud who said he saw TM on top of GZ answered the prosecution’s question about MMA blows and testified that he saw no such thing happen. Again a twisted tale.
        How many lies does it take to make a truth. NONE!
        Plus, if he straddled GZ, his sneakers would have had to be dug into the wet grass and dirt and be full of mud, and there was no mud or dirt on his white sneakers. You cannot have it both ways.

  42. MoFreedom says:

    Nice try.  But you’re looking desperate by trying to fabricate some excuse for TM.  Would you have us believe that TM didn’t know how to fight?  Come on, we all have everyday experience & know better than that.

    I watch MMA on TV everyday.  I haven’t taken a single class, but I know all the moves.
    The Gracie brothers even give lessons in it on TV.

    1. devastor9999 says:

      MoFreedom ok what kind of bruise did it leave on the back of zimmermans head . right and how come none of Trayvon Martins DNA  was not on Zimmerman explain that not in his finger nails nothing if he attacked him like zimmerman said he should have zimmerman’s DNA all over his person so he made up the whole story and i can prove it 
      look at Zimmerman’s photo’s when he was at the Sanford PD he has a mark on the side of his head on the right side i did not know concrete could leave a shape in your head how do you explain it if you are so smart it is not doctored photo it is a clear bruise from right to left going straight down on the right

      1. MoFreedom says:

        devastor9999 MoFreedom 
        GZ had a broken nose, cuts on his face, heavy bruising, around his temple areas, & cuts on the back of his head.
        The police arrived on the scene one minute after the shooting, so GZ didn’t have time even think about inflicting those wounds on himself, let alone inflict them. 
        So, who do you suppose committed felony battery on GZ, if it wasn’t TM?  The invisible man?

      2. MoFreedom says:

        devastor9999 MoFreedom
        According to the report given by Officer Timothy Smith, the first on the scene, Zimmerman’s “back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”

        1. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom devastor9999 another lie. Would you not think that his jacket would not only be wet but muddy from the dirt under the grass if they were tussling. Try it yourself on a wet grassy field and see how much dirt is there.
          Appeared to be wet. It would have been definitely wet. Not appeared, which implies maybe or maybe not or at the least minimally we. Which would have been expected as it was a “rainy night”. Duhh?
          Plus, the photo at the police station showed NO dirt or grass stains on the back of his jacket.

      3. CarolParks says:

        Trayvon was found dead on the grass over 200 feet away from any concrete sidewalk. How did The Murderer have his head bashed when they were on the grass? Nothing but Lies from GZ

  43. devastor9999 says:

    i got a key piece of evidence that is Zimmerman has given when he went to the police station in Sanford in the picture itself when he had his back to the camera

  44. JamesHarvin says:

    Treyvon never would have touched him had Zimmerman not pursued him and try to play cop!

    1. Me Myself and I says:

      JamesHarvin  I agree.  Zimmerman disobeyed the Neighborhood Watch rules and he disobeyed the police and stalked Trayvon.
      If that Stand Your Ground law was made for anyone, it was made for Trayvon that night.  And when he went to stand his ground against Z, Zimmerman killed him.
      Zimmerman is liar and a murderer.

      1. CarolParks says:

        I agree completely with Me Myself, & I

      2. thelovelyone says:

        Me Myself and I JamesHarvin , I totally agree and I agree with everything CarolParks has said as well. I personally believe there wasn’t a fight that night. So much lack of evidence. I think Trayvon resisted fake cops demands and GZ had his shirt twisted up in his hands and shot him because the buttons didn’t align with the shot! GZ coerced, provoked & stalked him. Many people have said Trayvon should have done what GZ instructed. What bs! What’s sad is that this happens all the time. Especially to black males who are guilty until proven innocent. I now realize others, as well as some whites are treated in this manner as well!

        1. CarolParks says:

          Thelovelyone, yes, you are correct. The worst thing was having an all white jury. There should have been African Americans on that jury. That Murderer should have been convicted, & given life. I really believe some of those jurors already had their mind made up before the trial even started. The laws need to change.

        2. JamesHarvin says:

          thelovelyone  You’re correct.  Many folk simply cannot get past their prejudice, and are unable to admit it.  the black male is a criminal, and should have “obeyed” someone who had no apparent authority.  Folk cannot see the patronizing attitude in that position.  A black should obey a white.
          Folk who say Mr.Martin could have just gone home didn’t listen to the evidence.  The murderer followed and stopped Mr. Martin.  Those “folk” just refuse to admit that the murderer could have just left Mr. Martin alone.  He wasn’t doing anything but going home.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          JamesHarvinthelovelyone 
          I never said TM had to obey GZ’s commands. And I rather doubt GZ gave TM any commands.

          The police were on their way.  They arrived 1 minute after the shooting.  GZ called the police because he didn’t want to confront TM, & was probably scared of him. 
          It was dark, GZ suspected TM was a criminal, & he didn’t know if TM was armed or not.  Maybe not to you, but to me those are scary circumstances.

          When TM got GZ on the ground & started pounding him, I think GZ was scared to death.

          And you don’t know whether your last statement is true or not.  I suspect you think it applied to TM.  But the jury & I believe that the “he” in your statement below was GZ.

          “He wasn’t doing anything but going home.”

        4. CarolParks says:

          JamesHarvin thelovelyone James the people onm here who are saying GZ was innocent are ignoring the fact’s in the case, or making up their own. They will argue with you forever. But, most people think he is a Murderer, iincluding me.

        5. queenjazze says:

          CarolParks JamesHarvin thelovelyone Well said Carol Parks….They’re not interested in facts…I try and be fair when I analyze the info. they give us on TV…It’s never about race for me…i’m mixed just like our President of the USA..stop the killing of one another, stop the killing of our babies, all babies..stop the hatred..xo

        6. MartinMatthews says:

          CarolParks JamesHarvin thelovelyone I don’t think GZ is a murderer.  He acted stupidly but not a murderer.  When people are given guns and laws that promote aggressive stances (SYG) bad things can happen.  If it was murder it was Florida culture that murdered him.

        7. MartinMatthews says:

          I am not going to say who is ignoring facts but you seem to just make them up….at least you were a few days ago.  LIke I had said.  no arguing withyou.

        8. CarolParks says:

          Queenjazze, I agree! Stopping this hatred seems to be a problem. Education is the key.

      3. MoFreedom says:

        Me Myself and IJamesHarvin 
        “Stalking” is the repeated following and harassing of another person.  
        If GZ only followed TM on this one occasion, then it wasn’t stalking.
        But since only unsavory people are stalkers, you put it in your comment in order to unfairly prejudice people against GZ.  
        But don’t feel all alone, many others have done the same.

    2. MoFreedom says:

      JamesHarvin  
      TM was 70 yards from his home when he got shot.  In HS I could have run 70 yds in under 8 seconds, and TM had a 4 minute head start on GZ.

      1. JamesHarvin says:

        MoFreedom JamesHarvin  .  In this case, Treyvon was walking while talking on the phone.  He was still on the phone when the murderer caught up to him.  When someone stops you, and is in your face, it’s foolish to turn your back on that person.  It makes more sense to defend yourself, which Treyvon did.  The murderer had already decided that Treyvon was guilty of something.  The murderer’s comment that “these assholes always get away” is clear evidence of that.  And since, the murderer started a conflict which he couldn’t handle, he chose to kill.  The mark of a coward.

        1. CarolParks says:

          Agreed. And how does anyone know what really happened? Because that lying Murder said so? I think GZ grabbed Trayvon from behind & they fell to the ground, which is when GZ got that SMALL cut on his head. They rolled onto the grass Trayvon punched him, & that coward pulled out his gun, which made Trayvon scream, then the Murderer shot him. Then there was silence.

        2. CarolParks says:

          Lol! Hey, Daneyul, now the Murderer can’t go anywhere without looking over his shoulder Constantly. He feels like he’s being followed, like someone is HUNTING HIM DOWN …maybe being stalked! He needs a hoodie so he can hide his face. Lol! Yes, KARMA is a Bitch. Now he Knows how it feels TO BE PROFILED, STALKED, & ……… Well you get the picture.

        3. MartinMatthews says:

          CarolParks well there is no arguing with you is there.  You stated know one knows what really happened BUT you yourself decided guilt based on?  based on nothing but your imagination.  How can your labelling of GZ as a murder be respected when it is based on your imagination?

        4. CarolParks says:

          Martin Matthews. Based purely on the Facts. Something you wouldn’t know about.

        5. MoFreedom says:

          Some of the characteristics of “lean” users are breaks with reality, extreme paranoia, and fits of violence.

          Trayvon was admittedly, according to his Facebook conversations, a
          user of DXM and Purple Drank/Lean since at least June 2011. 
          His liver indicates the beginning stages of an unusual
          degrading known as “mild fatty metamorphasis”, and his brain tissue
          appeared compromised, both conditions symptomatic of DXM use.

          Trayvon Martin’s phone was full of text messages, pictures and videos
          suggestive of drugs, violence and criminal behavior. 
          http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/07/trayvon-martin-burglary-tools-and-pcp.html

        6. MoFreedom says:

          We definitely need to get our facts straight before taking action.  An innocent man was almost lynched.
          And all those that found themselves in the lynch mob should be ashamed of themselves.
          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/21/how_media_lies_have_distorted_a_tragedy_119311.html

        7. MartinMatthews says:

          CarolParks Your imagination is fact only in that virtual world you have in your head:  You stated so yourself that no one knew what really happened but that sure did not stop you from coming up with a very detailed outline of what you think happened.  Go write some fiction, you might be good at it.

        8. peggy70a says:

          MartinMatthews CarolParks How about based on the fact that :Trayvon Martin is dead!!  That seems pretty factual to me.  george zimmernan is a coward weasel murderer!!!

        9. peggy70a says:

          MoFreedom So what the f>>k?   Did that mean he  had to be murdered by that coward weasel george zimmerman???  Since when did the lifestyle mentioned above mean a death sentence?  george zimmerman is not nothing but a coward punk or he would have fought Trayvon like a man instead he showed what a punk coward he is by whipping out a gun and shooting an unarmed kid.  I  hope he never has any peace.  But like  some of you he has no guilt of the misery he has caused.  Instead of taking an ass whipping  like a man and calling it a night he murders Trayvon.

        10. MoFreedom says:

          peggy70a MoFreedom  
          Yep, GZ deserved to go to jail cuz he refused to take his whuppin’ like a man.
          Google Bryan Stow & Emery Kauanui for examples of guys that took their whuppins’ like men. 
          Self defense expert Paul Vunak says the longer a fight continues, the more likely a person will suffer serious injury or death.  But we didn’t need PV to tell us that, did we?

          Plus, this wasn’t much of a fight.  GZ may’ve been able to block & parry a few punches & elbows, but that’s about it.  Except for a few ineffective blocks & parries, the fight was between TM’s fists & elbows & GZ’s face.

      2. MoFreedom says:

        JamesHarvin
        I lived in two home owners associations (one a condo & the other a PDD). In both instances, there were a bunch of busybodies that always kept an eye on me & were always scolding me for breaking the association’s rules. I was told things like I couldn’t trim the tree in front of my house, that my son’s girlfriend parked in the visitor’s parking area too long, & that I couldn’t wash my car in front of my house.
        I’d never live in another area where a bunch of busybodies would be able to keep me under their watch & make me march to their drum. It made me mad as hell, because I felt like a child.
        But as mad as they made me, I never committed felony assault & battery on any of them. And that’s the difference between civil conduct & criminal conduct.

        1. JamesHarvin says:

          MoFreedom JamesHarvin  You cannot seem to get past the point that the murderer started the confrontation.  The notion that a young black man is only a thug and a criminal will not let you see that the victim defended himself from the murderer who pursued him in the rain and instigated a fight.  I understand that you and others can only see black people as violent criminal.  That’s an assumption that you cannot overcome.  Mr. Martin did not pursue the murderer, and did not confront the murderer, and did not start the physical assault.  The evidence produced at trial confirmed that.  Again, the notion that you and others assume the criminality of young black men will not let you see the forrest for the trees.  The murderer had already decided that his victim was a criminal.  His comment, “these assholes always get away” reveals his state of mind.  He pursued and stopped his victim with the intend to confront.

          If those members of the home owners association had put their hands on you (assuming they were mail) and prevented you from going about your business, you would have been within your rights to defend yourself. 
          Your “busybodies” analogy is improper at best.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          JamesHarvin,
          “Mr.
          Martin did not pursue the murderer, and did not confront the murderer,
          and did not start the physical assault. The evidence produced at trial
          confirmed that.”
          These
          are all assumptions on your part. Had they all been true, there is no
          doubt GZ would’ve been convicted & everybody here in agreement.
          But
          the evidence tends to prove otherwise. Watch the defense’s summation
          again, where it points out that Trayvon had a 4-minute head start on GZ.
          That’s the time between when GZ last saw TM, and the time GZ got
          knocked to the ground. TM was only 70 yards from his home. He could’ve
          gone back & forth to his home several times in that 4-minute
          interval.
          Likely
          Rachel Jeantel was on the phone telling TM to give that creepy-ass
          %%$#@! cracker a beat down he’d never forget. And it appears that’s what
          TM did.
          I’m not assuming all AAs are criminals, but TM became a criminal the minute he committed felony battery on GZ.
          And
          yes, if members of my homeowners’ association had put their hands on
          me, that would have immediately put them in the wrong & given
          me the right to sue them.

        3. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom How can you say that TM became a criminal the moment he committed felony battery on GZ when you can’t admit that GZ is a murderer because he pulled the trigger that killed Trayvon?  How can you say that TM is the one in the wrong when he is not the one who was stalking?  He is not the one who left his truck to take the law into his own hands.  he was not the one who was carrying a concealed weapon loaded with hollow points. He was defending himself, just like GZ is claiming.
          Actually NO ONE KNOWS what really happened, including the defense and prosecution because there are no witnesses to the actual confrontation.  There are no witnesses to the struggle when Z pulled the trigger, except for that one neighbor who couldn’t see all that clearly.  
          There is only two people who know what really happened that night and one of them is dead. 
          And the other one lied.

        4. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I MoFreedom  
          Here’s the problem with that.  TM was only 70 yards from his home & had 4 minutes to get there.  When I was TM’s age, I could have covered that 70 yds in under 8 seconds.  He had plenty of time to go home if he wanted to.  So, you have to ask yourself why he didn’t & how GZ ended up with a broken nose, facial cuts, heavy bruising in both temple regions, & cuts on the back of his head.
          TM must have been one bad-ass dude.  Because if I was being followed by a strange man in the dark, the last thing I’d do is lie in wait for him, & then engage him in hand to hand combat.  TM had to be fearless & extremely confident in his fighting abilities to do that.

        5. conchman44 says:

          MoFreedom Me Myself and I That my friend means that you have accepted GZ account of what happened. There is no proof that TM was lying in wait. Perhaps if he did anything, he was trying in some way to hide from GZ who was stalking him. If there was a fight which I don’t believe ever happened, everything is just too clean, then TM had to feel that he had no choice.
          One does not confront a person as GZ did to TM for them to get away. You confront for some sort of action or response. Even in conversation, you confront to prevent the other person from leaving.
          There is no truth to anything that GZ said except that he shot TM. From start to finish nothing but lies. And if you believe any of them you allow yourself to be hood winked.

        6. Me Myself and I says:

          MoFreedom JamesHarvin  Having the HOA on your case over minor violations is not the same as being stalked on a dark rainy night by a stranger.  Your example is extremely lame and weak.  
          I also belong to an HOA and they are busybodies as well, I grant you. They, too, keep an eye on everyone and they send out their notices to anyone who allows their grass to grow an inch higher than the regulations, to anyone who forgets to bring in their garbage cans yada yada yada… 
          And my reaction to all of that would be very different from my reaction to a stranger stalking me at night when it’s raining as it would be for most normal people.   
          You didn’t fear for your well being or your life any more than I do when the HOA folks got on your case. And that’s why you didn’t go after them in your defense.  Because when it comes right down to it, Mo, when your well being and or life is on the line no one is thinking about civil vs criminal conduct.  I reiterate, your example is lame.
          But apparently Trayvon did fear for his wellbeing because he felt he had to stand his ground and when he did, he ended up being murderered for it.

        7. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and IMoFreedomJamesHarvin
          TM could have easily gone home.  If Tracy Martin opened the door & welcomed his son into the house, GZ would have gone back to whatever he was doing before he decided to keep an eye on TM.
          Now, those making excuses for TM say he was walking close to houses to get out of the rain.  But if you look at those houses, you’ll see the eaves only stick about 4 inches beyond the roof-line.  They wouldn’t provide any appreciable protection from the rain. Plus, TM stayed in the rain 4 minutes longer than he had to.  Getting out of the rain apparently wasn’t a concern for him. So, exactly what was TM doing walking next to those houses?  

          Was TM angry because GZ was getting in the way of what he wanted to do?

      3. Me Myself and I says:

        @MoFreedom  Why do you always defend this low life murderer?  Why do you always bring up ridiculous, petty excuses to defend someone who killed an unarmed kid? What do you get out of it?  Why do you approve of his murderous behavior?  Are you a bigot?  Do you loathe blacks? What’s your problem that makes you so blind to injustice?

        Zimmerman lied about several things during this trial, such as saying he didn’t know anything at all about the SYG law, when in fact he not only knew about it, he took classes on it. He studied it.  Why would he do that if he had not intended to use that law in his defense after he shot and killed someone because he wanted to know what it was like to take a human life?  
        He carried a concealed weapon which was against the rules of all Neighborhood Watch handbooks.  And as a captain, a self appointed one at that, he would have known those guidelines as much as he would have known the intricacies of the SYG law that he took classes on.  Why would he do that if he had not intended to use that weapon, in hopes that the law he studied would defend his murderous actions?  He loaded his weapon with hollow points!  Why would he do that if he had not intended to shoot to kill and make sure the victim was very dead?
        He disregarded the admonitions of the dispatcher to stay with his truck.  Why would he do that if he did not intend to take the law into his own hands?  Which he did and ended up killing an unarmed kid who was doing nothing more than walking home from the store with his hood up to protect him from the rain. 
        Zimmerman is a liar and a murderer. He knows it and so do the majority of the intelligent people in this country.  It’s a shame you fall out of that category.

        1. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I

          Your compelling logic won me over. I now realize TM was completely innocent.
          GZ likely slipped on the wet grass, fell on the sidewalk,
          & banged his head in multiple places (because his head bounced like a ball when
          it hit the cement).
          And GZ probably drew his pistol as he was falling & shot
          TM, because he knew that after his head hit the cement he might not be in any
          condition to shoot.Plus, that would
          account for the strange angle that the forensics expert determined the bullet
          travelled after it struck TM.
          But as he was falling & just before he shot, GZ screamed
          like a little girl in order to make people think he was getting attacked by TM.
          It’s perfectly clear to me what happened.I just can’t understand how the jury couldn’t see
          that.
          And now I’m starting to think all those black guys in prison
          must be innocent too.So, let’s you
          & I join together to break them out of prison, Jonathan Jackson style (Jonathan
          was innocent too), & have them band with us to lynch those creepy ass @#$%racist Hispanics before they shoot anymore black kids.

        2. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I 
          Am I now part of the intelligent people in this country?
          I sure hope so.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          Me Myself and I 
           He
          was just a boy!  Can’t you hear me?  I said, “He was only a boy.” 
          Don’t you understand?  Can’t you see that?  A mere boy!  Just an
          innocent child!
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/shawn-tyson-gets-life-sentence_n_1387550.html
          Here’s a look back in time, reminiscent of Walter Cronkite’s, “You Are There.”
          Big
          brother George of Soul on Ice fame called his younger brother Jonathan a
          man-child when he was  around 15yrs old because he had become such a
          ferocious street fighter.  Angela Davis was so impressed with Jonathan’s
          fighting skills that she used him as her personal body guard when he
          was only 16. 
          And
          when Jonathan was 17, he walked into the Marin Co. courthouse with a
          sawed-off shotgun & uttered his now famous words, “All right
          gentlemen, I’m taking over now.” 
          That’s
          right, this happened when people could walk into government buildings
          without security screenings.  One of Jonathan’s claims to fame is that
          he initiated security measures in government buildings all across the
          nation.
          As
          part of his plan to free his brother George from prison, 17-year old
          Jonathan kidnapped the judge, freed 3 prisoners, & hurried them to a
          van he had parked near the entrance. 
          The plan was near picture perfect. 
          What
          Jonathan didn’t anticipate, however, was the police reaction.  Instead
          of letting Jonathan & his 3 recruits drive off with the judge, the
          police fired a fusillade of bullets into the van killing nearly everyone
          inside.  A shotgun blast from inside the van blew the judge’s head
          clean off.   (Perhaps I misspoke when I said it was “clean” off. 
          Because in truth, it was downright messy, & the sight of it made
          most people vomit.)
          But I believe it was one of the greatest escape attempts ever to take place. 
          That 17-year old Jonathan P. Jackson was one tough hombre & one cool cucumber.

      4. KrysMichEdw says:

        Regardless if he ran him Zimmerman still was going to follow him did u see where he parked his car on the other side of the complex and he had every right to take his time to get home I didn’t know we are suppose to run as if we didn’t have rights did you really think Trayvon knew he was going to die that night he was almost home and speed walking

        1. MoFreedom says:

          KrysMichEdw 

          GZ was skip to my louin’ & that’s why he caught
          up with TM. And when GZ caught up to TM, he started swingin’ away at him because he was black.
          But
          TM bobbed & weaved & GZ swung at nothing but air. TM, on the other
          hand, floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee.
          Finally, GZ had had enough of an ass whuppin’ &
          pulled his gun & shot TM in the chest out of pure racial animus.
          But, if TM had been a white man, GZ never would’ve
          shot him.  In fact, GZ would’ve been proud
          to have his ass whupped by a white man.
          And before TM died, GZ stood over him & screamed
          terrible racial slurs at him.
          How do you & I know the things we know? Why, we
          must have been there, right?
          Otherwise, we’d just be guessing, wouldn’t we?

    3. daneyul says:

      JamesHarvin  
      If that woman had not worn that short skirt, she wouldn’t have gotten raped. Brought it on herself!
      See–blaming a victim for doing something legal ( following a person at a a distance, wearing a short skirt ) and excusing the one who commits violence against them for it  is an awful slipper slope.
      But you just don’t see it do you. 

      Hard to see the mob when you’re in it, huh?

      1. salgie1030 says:

        daneyul JamesHarvin        No I don’t see it because you like many others keep ommitting the fact that Trayvon attacked GZ brutally and it was in the middle of that attack he got shot. All you people keep trying to paint this picture of this little boy with skittles was walking home and GZ followed and then shot him.. I cannot see why this beating seems to be insignificant and not worthy of a mention. Some gangstas have a propensity for fighting. I am sure Trayvon would have walked straight to his destination if he knew GZ had a gun. Trayvons weapon of choice was his fist….Maybe you don’t know this but people have had  significant injuries due to fist fights even death. There was a case about 4 months ago of a teen throwing 1 blow to someone trying to break up a fight and the victim hit the pavement and died instantly…

        1. CarolParks says:

          Trayvon Martin was being stalked by a nut. He had a right to stand his ground, & defend himself against this creep, who didn’t even identify himself. If GZ was following me at night I would have shot him! He was the Instigator, the Stalker, the Aggressor, the one who Never should have followed Trayvon, or gotten out of his truck in the first place. He Was the Murderer of a Innocent Kid! Get it?

        2. salgie1030 says:

          CarolParks   No I absolutely do not get it.   If you had thought this out completely and perhaps done a little more research. The information is out there. This little boy with skittles was either a full blown gangsta or on his way to being one. Gangstas do not have 2nd thoughts of fighting. It is a badge of honor as Trayvons twitter feeds indicate. .If you watched the actual video that the detective made with GZ less than 24 hrs after. there were lots of details corroberated later by the witness that was the closest to the fight. As I said before to you GZ was already out of the truck and had lost view of TM and looking for an address(back of apts did not have address) The dispatcher said are you following him. GZ said Yes. Dispatcher said don’t do that and he said OK and was already heading back to the truck when TM came up from the side and said Whats your problem and decked him.  TM had ample time to get to his place but instead he layed in wait because he wanted to show this creepy ass cracker a thing or two. If he would have been arrested for the jewelry theft he would have been in Juvenile detention starting fight there. This was not Trayvon Mandella Luthor King,  He was a truly bad actor looking for a fight….This is nothing but a green light for gangstas to beatup whoever they wish. It is now against the law to fight back or the consequences will be to go through what GZ had. I’m sure if he could go back in time he would just take the beating even if the result was his death…If I had a choice to be followed by someone or beaten by someone guess what I would choose. If TM was fearful why not call the police. The incident took place at 7pm not 11 pm… People did not come help because of being afraid that TM could then start beating them…You should do some homework and find more details.

        3. JamesHarvin says:

          salgie1030 daneyul JamesHarvin  Treyvon couldn’t walk directly to his destination because the murderer followed ans intercepted him, with a gun.  Treyvon defended himself from a person, without apparent authority, who followed and stopped him, with a gun.  
          You see, your prejudice about the “gangster” stuff and the assumption that a young black man is violent, will not let you see anything else.
          Forget the little boy with skittles.  He was minding his business until the murderer followed and intercepted him.  But, you cannot see that.

        4. CarolParks says:

          James Harvin, you can explain forever by using fact’s, but these people will never agree as they are on a mission to be right no matter what. Their clear bigotry blinds them, & also makes them deaf.

        5. CarolParks says:

          It’s not a fact that Trayvon attacked anyone. That’s the Murderer’s account. I as many others believe the evidence shows Trayvon was stopped, & attacked by GZ first. Who had the loaded gun with no safety on? The Murderer. Shot thru the heart, not the arm, leg, or somewhere else. He meant to kill & silence the Only other witness. The Murderers own words when asked by Sean Hannity, ” what would you change about that night if you could?” The Murderers answer, “nothing”. The Murderer said, ” it was Gods will for Trayvon to die”. Like I said, GZ is a Murderer, & a Sociopath.

        6. JoelBargas says:

          The POTUS, Holder at the DOJ, Sharpton, Jackson, all made this a racial witch hunt, politically motivated of course. Oblamo pushing for gun control, they made Trayvon Martin a poster child for gun control and what better way than a young defenseless black baby. Thousands of black children die at the hands of non blacks every year, thousands of ALL RACES babies die each year, so why Trayvon Martin? His life is valuable as a human being, but no more important than my child, yours, or anyone else. Our govt unconstitutionally funded a racist militant group directly, THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY, who put a bounty on Zimmerman!!! Now explain that!! (Rhetorical)

        7. peggy70a says:

          salgie1030 CarolParks You people are so racist and crazy until it is just mind boggling.  You are just making up all kind of lies trying to justify what that coward weasel idiot did..  If george  zimmerman could not take an ass whipping he should have kept his coward ass in his truck.  Trayvon is DEAD.  Doesn’t that mean anything to you racist people??  What a stupid question for me to ask!!

  45. conchman44 says:

    If Martin was on top of Zimmerman doing what he claimed, then Martin’s white sneakers and the knees of his pants would have been black with the dirt that is at the bottom of the grass as it was a rainy, wet night. There would have been no way to avoid a large amount of black dirt from being on his pants, sneakers and Zimmerman’s pants and back of his jacket.
    There never was a fight and that is the first lie that Zimmerman and his lawyers got you to believe.
    Pounding someone’s face with a broken nose would have left huge amounts of bruising and swelling as well as blood splattered all over Zimmerman’s face and clothes as well as Martin’s hands and cuffs of his hoodie.
    Lies, lies, lies. Then a juror said Martin could have walked away. He was walking away before he was confronted. When someone confronts you in the manner that Zimmerman did Martin, it is precisely to prevent him from walking away.
    Remember Rachel Jenteel saying that Martin’s last words were “get off of me” meaning that Zimmerman had accosted him in some manner. Most likely preventing any retreat.

    1. salgie1030 says:

      conchman44    Trayvon had plenty of time to go home but he was a fighter and wanted to give a good ass kicking. His twitter feeds show what type of thug he was. He was not the sweet boy that has been shown or claimed.  He was caught with 14 pieces of womens jewelry and  a screw driver which is a burlary tool. if he had been arrested at that time he would still be alive today.  He had been suspended from school 3 times… One of his twitter names was No Limit Nigga….He was trying to purchase guns and involved in drugs. He was a real scarey guy.  The path he had taken veered from the place he was staying. Instead he waited for Z and attacked him. There was more than enough time to get to his destination. If he was scared then he could have called the cops…   You talk as if there was no witness to that fight….. Google Trayvons twitter feed and Zimmermans reenactment and then work on trying to continue to create the upcoming race riot.

      1. JamesHarvin says:

        salgie1030 conchman44  At o time did anyone try to portray Treyvon as some kind of angel.  However, in this instance he had not been involved with any criminal activity.  No evidence suggests that he “waited” for the murderer so as to inflict harm on him.  IN THIS instance, the murderer who had no apparent authority to do so followed a black man for no other reason than he was black, stopped him, and instigated a confrontation.  None of the evidence contradicts this.  
        It’s the SOP for prejudice people to justify murder based on what they BELIEVE about a person, not on what that person actually did.  In this instance, Treyvon did nothing but be black.  Unfortunately, for some, that is enough to justify murder.

      2. CarolParks says:

        Salgie1030. LOL! Talk about Exaggeration, & Pure Bullshyt! Try looking up GZ. Was not allowed to play or socialize with any kids, just his brother. Was a Child Molester for ten years! According to his own 1 st cousin! Was arrested 3 times! Once for hitting a cop. Broke a ladies ankle in a club that he didn’t even know! Hurt his ex girlfriend, & she had to get a restraining order! Harassed a coworker & was Fired! Was also Fired from a security job. Was turned down to become a police officer. Was on heavy prescription Drugs because he could not control his temper! There is More! Google his name. He’s a Sociopath.

        1. daneyul says:

          CarolParks
           Can you put some citations in this, please?  It seems to be utter bullshit.
          The only thing I can come up with is his well publicized 1 arrest–non-violent domestic dispute.  There’s some scattering of other hearsay, but it’s all retracted and admitted to be false– with comments like this at http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/

          “Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman
          has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
          were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
          additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date.

      3. KrysMichEdw says:

        You have some damn nerve regardless of his past he was going home to his father he was walking and seen Zimmerman following him he did not jump out to fight him he was speed walking to get away from him. I’m sure your not as innocent as you think you are trying to air out somebody’s dirty laundry to justify them being murdered….sit ya ass down somewhere

        1. daneyul says:

          KrysMichEdw  
          He was speed walking to get away from him???  And Zimmerman, what,  caught him? Fat, 34 year old Zimmerman ran 17 year old athletic Martin down, huh?

          That’s–um, an unusual accounting of what happened.  I guess you were there, though–since you seem to have no doubts whatsoever.

          Then they wouldn’t have been stuck using the only evidence and testimony available–
          That Martin assaulted someone because he didn’t like them following him at a distance, and got shot in the fight after he broke Zimmerman’s nose and the bounced the back of his head against the pavement.  
          As much hearsay, half-truths, arm chair quarterbacking and just general batshit craziness spewed about this case–that’s all the evidence there is.  
          You should be ashamed, KrysMichEdw, for not coming forth with this “Zimmerman chased down a speed walking Martin” evidence you seem to have that trumps all of the above.  You know, not coming forth with evidence is a federal crime. 

          But–let me get your story straight:  Zimmerman first called the cops(!) then chased some 17 year kid trying speed walk away from him, shot him, then–uh–what, dragged the body back to nearer the car. Then banged his own head on the concrete and broke his own nose?

          Yeah.  That sounds MUCH more plausible.

        2. daneyul KrysMichEdw  Zimmerman was’t fat and he still isn’t 34. And you’re calling on me and others to focus on facts? You can’t call out half truths and then support them.

        3. MoFreedom says:

          Yvette Carnell daneyul KrysMichEdw  
          World famous fighters Felix Trinidad & Wilfred Benitez started their professional careers when they were only 17, and easily knocked guys GZ’s age unconscious.

          By the time a fighter approaches GZ’s age, he’s oftentimes beginning to slow down & experience declining success as he can’t keep up with the younger guys.
          Sugar Ray Leonard, one of he greatest of all time, was done when he was around 32.

        4. JamesHarvin says:

          MoFreedom Yvette Carnell daneyul KrysMichEdw  So, you don’t believe a person has the right to defend himself from someone without apparent authority who’s following him for no apparent reason?

        5. MoFreedom says:

          JamesHarvinMoFreedomYvette CarnelldaneyulKrysMichEdw
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwZmjovQss

    2. KrysMichEdw says:

      You know what’s crazy there were very light grass stains on Trayvon knees but that was from his body being flipped over after he was shot not because he straddled Zimmerman ….it’s great to see many people of any color make sense of this case

      1. MartinMatthews says:

        KrysMichEdw then how come the stains are not covering the whole pant leg?

    3. MoFreedom says:

      conchman44 
      Here’s an interesting fact I just came across.  
      “The longer a fight lasts, the higher the chances of serious
      injury or death.” 
      It comes from Paul Vunak, famed self-defense expert.

  46. conchman44 says:

    who could believe anything a doctor says once he tells you that someone could snatch your heart out of your chest and you could walk and talk for 10-15 seconds.
    Dr. Di Mao was haied as a wonderful witness, but he was one of the biggest liars in the courtroom. I am a doctor and I know is impossible. And anyone with a lick of common sense knows better. But so many people believed that and whatever else he said. When he himself said that he did not look for truth, he only tried to fit a story to fit Zimmerman’s 5th account of what happened. Duhh?

    1. MoFreedom says:

      conchman44 
      A deer that gets shot in the heart can run for 50 yards, until it finally loses consciousness from lack of blood & collapses.

      1. vjordan46 says:

        MoFreedom conchman44 
        Here you go, comparing Trayvon to another animal once again. Remember, Trayvon was not an animal, he was a human being..

        1. MoFreedom says:

          vjordan46MoFreedomconchman44
          That statement was taken from a book that interviewed a famous ballistics expert, who tried to explain why humans don’t fall down the moment they get shot.
          He figured that people that had shot animals could draw an analogy since so few people (at least in my community) have seen a human being get shot. 
          Here’s the book in case you want to read more.
          Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers, by Marry Roach

  47. queenjazze says:

    Dear  B37 and all the rest of the ‘Bs’, ‘Es’:,  This Zimmerman’s ‘VERDICT’, was a big slap in the face for everyone that watched this trial go down..This is what you all didn’t get about Trayvon….Trayvon was doing nothing wrong, and was fighting for his life…George Zimmerman was screaming for his life bc he was walking around looking for that black guy and ran into him, that’s why Trayvon said get off, get off…Trayvon had to fight…Zimmerman did have that gun on him like he said, and when Selma Mora. on Day 4….aka..(Jessica Lange), was on the stand she was believable….Day 5..John Goods was on the stand and he was believable..Selma ,and John was the prosecutor witness and their testimony helped the Defense……
    The killer had already decided that Trayvon was guilty of something bc he was a black guy..  Zimmerman’s remarks was that “these azzholes always get away” is clear evidence that this guy was trying to do another break in and  he wasn’t haven’t none of it…. That’s why Zimmerman couldn’t stay in his car when the dispatcher ask..are you following him…Zimmerman said yes…Dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that…And since, the killer started a conflict which he couldn’t handle, he chose to pulled that gun out and killed that innocent teenager….That’s why Zimmerman should have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder………………………….The reason Trayvons hands were not bruised was because he was dead within the next 5 minutes of pounding GZ. It is only common sense that after the heart stops pumping blood that your body can’t make bruises. I think that was confirmed  by the pathologist…….THIS STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IN FLORIDA NEEDS TO GO…..ASAP…….TRAYVON WAS STANDING HIS GROUND AND WAS MURDERED……….#GZimmermanTrial

    1. CarolParks says:

      Queenjazze, Loud Applause!!! I love your post! I wish that dumb ### could read this. What a Racist, Disgrace that juror was. She had her mind already made up. Like I said from the beginning, African American Jurors should have been on that jury! Not have an All White Jury! Your Post Was Awesome!

      1. Pattycake RN says:

        CarolParks 
        Well they said on the news that GZ might need security.  I would just like to ask him one question.  How does it feel?

    2. daneyul says:

      queenjazze  
      These “azzholes” is not a racial epithet.  I’d use the word myself if my neighborhood had a string of break-ins, and no one was caught.  It does seem indeed–the “azzholes” had always got away.
      Now–“cracker” is a racial slur.  Hmmmm… who used that?
      Stand your ground, by the way, does not mean turning around and assaulting someone who’s following you at a distance.  That’s called “assault”.
      But then–what Zimmerman did wasn’t “Stand your ground” either.
      It was self defense.

    3. MoFreedom says:

      A Hispanic man shoots a black man in self defense & the AA community goes apoplectic.
      Yet,
      7,000 black men are murdered every year, and black men commit 94% of
      them.   But when those murders occur, there is deafening silence in the
      AA community as if it is trying to sweep them under the rug & hope
      nobody notices.   Then it turns around and complains that the murderers
      are being unfairly & unjustly incarcerated.
      The uproar over TM is causing many in the white community to wonder what is going on?
      But
      after what happened to GZ, you can bet that few of them will serve on
      neighborhood watch groups anymore.   It’s dangerous & thankless
      work.  And if they’re unarmed, they might stumble upon a burglary,
      mugging, or rape in progress & get shot for being in the wrong place
      at the wrong time.
      But
      the scale back in neighborhood watch groups must be welcome news for
      muggers, rapists, & burglars.   Who else benefits?   Certainly not
      their victims.
      GZ’s
      life is ruined. Unless he successfully sues the state of FL, he’s in a
      financial hole he may never get out of.    Plus, even if he’s successful
      in a lawsuit against FL, there’s a risk the Martin family will take the
      money away from him in a wrongful death lawsuit.
      Plus,
      GZ is a marked man. There are raging mad men & violent crazies out
      to do him harm wherever he goes. And everybody now recognizes his face.
      So,
      neighborhood watch groups & persons with guns have learned powerful
      lessons, as no one would want to be in GZ’s shoes, & they will do
      everything they possibly can not to get themselves into similar
      situations.
      Plus,
      GZ was extremely lucky it wasn’t an all AA jury. Regardless of his
      guilt or innocence, an all AA jury would have lynched him (figuratively
      speaking, that is, meaning they would’ve sent him to prison for the rest
      of his life).   
      (Isn’t that interesting in that the AA community always complains it can’t get  justice from an all white jury.)
      These are all powerful lessons for the white community. And unlike some, they can & will change their behavior.
      So,
      the AA community doesn’t have to fear a wave of similar occurrences, as
      so many unthinking, violence provoking persons have suggested.

      1. peggy70a says:

        MoFreedom Just like all of the  assumations concerning Trayvon you are assuming an all AA jury would have found him  (george zimmerman)guilty.  I sure would think they would have as much intelligence as an all white jury!!   We in the “Black Community” have screamed loud and clear with concern of the crimes committed aganist each other and against us by others and  for you make such an untrue statement shows just how much you really know.  Every action has a cause and regretfully Trayvon’s ghastly murder may be a cause greater than any of us can understand.  Maybe now someone will hear what we in our communities have tried to say.  The function of any neighborhood watch is not to confront but call “law enforcement  when something looks out of the norm.  They should know what their duties are before accepting neighborhood positions.  How can everyone keep calling shooting an unarmed person “self defense”??  He is a coward weasel (george zimmerman) who could not be a man and fight man to man but had to carry a gun to feel tough!!  He wasn’t a man but a coward punk.  Trayvon was walking, unarmed, minding his own business and along comes the “devil” himself.  Sure hope you or if you have kids do not meet an armed george zimmerman who automatically assumes you are up to no good and shoots you dead!!

  48. injunBill says:

    I am a Mixed Martial Artist.  I have been in  several tournament  fights and 3 real hardcore street fights. In addition, I have brought 2 friends to the hospital after they were attacked and beat in the face. Based on GZ’s pics the day of shooting I can guarantee 110%  that TM did NOT throw life threatening punches. When barefists  hit a face, the face bruises are black and blue and there is a lot of blood – on BOTH parties!! Why do you think we wear gloves when we fight MMA?? It’s so we can get up after being punched. Bareknuckle fights result in MAJOR injuries to both parties!!!  It’s hard on both the puncher and punchee. Also, if TM had GZ on the ground and was able to throw these 20-30 ground and pound punches bareknuckle GZ would have gone to the hospital. I know this from experience.  It is IMPOSSIBLE for a face (fat or not) to absorb a series of bareknuckle punches like that and get up. ZM’s bruises are very indicative of a face hit MMA style by someone wearing MMA gloves. Wasn’t he in his precious MMA class three days before the shooting??  This neighbor is obviously fascinated with TV tournament fights but without gloves it is very hard to continue to punch  someone in the face and not have bloody, swollen knuckles.

    1. Pattycake RN says:

      injunBill 
      plz, don’t people realize by now that the facts don’t matter.  Can anybody recognize a kangaroo court when they see one?  This trial was a well choreographed smoke screen to give the appearance of true justice.  We can argue amongst each other until we turn purple and blow a gasket, it just don’t matter.  I wonder why I still care.  I guess I just might as well start saving my money for a ticket on the crazy train.  Then at least I could stop trying to figure this shyt out.

  49. injunBill says:

    It may be hard to find pics of faces punched from bareknuckles. But i’m sure many of you have seen Rhianna’s pics after the Chris Brown beating. What about Halle Berry’s ex, Gabriel Aubrey. He took a nice clean punch to the face by her boxer boyfriend.  These weren’t even MMA ground and pound fights but you can easily see what a bareknuckle punch can do to a face. Gloves protect your face! GZ is a disgrace to MMA for using his MMA bruises as a pretext to kill someone and say they hit him.

    1. MoFreedom says:

      InjunBill
      You
      can see pics of MMA fighters during post fight interviews. And even though
      they’ve been kicked in the head, punched in the face, & kneed in the face,
      most look no worse off than GZ did that fateful night.

  50. injunBill says:

    Did anyone see the movie “The Fighter”? Remember when the brothers got into a streetfight and Mark Walhberg’s character broke his fist and couldn’t fight? That’s what happens to a trained boxer when they fight without gloves. Mike Tyson sustained a broken right hand during a street fight in New York City in 1988. Seasoned fighter, broke his hand on someone’s face. How can a regular 17-year-old just start wailing on someone with his barefists and not suffer ANY damages at all to his hands. Maybe he was Wolverine.