More on Romney’s Takedown of Obama

Part of my synopsis on how Mittens took down Obama:

A line from “Glory”, delivered by Denzel Washington, comes to mind: “N*gga just forgot to duck, that’s all.” You forget to duck either because you  haven’t fought in awhile or you don’t have anything worth fighting for. President Obama is great at playing to our highest ideals, but he’s inept when it comes to defending his own record or projecting his vision for America. Ask yourself why that is? Why couldn’t President Obama force Willard Romney, one of the weakest candidates to come down the pike in a long while, to explain his Cayman accounts or why he won’t extend what he gave Massachusetts – Romneycare – to the rest of the country? Nada. Obama didn’t push any of these issues. He just hung his head, gritted his teeth, and said “Governor Romney and I agree”. Damn.

This morning, observers are all discussing the next debate, but that shouldn’t be the Obama team’s main focus. Obama’s main worry should be; what if the Mitt we saw last night shows up on the campaign trail?

Bill Clinton famously told Ted Kennedy that ”a few years ago, this guy (Obamawould have been carrying our bags.” Last night, Obama looked as if he should’ve been picking up Romney’s bag and getting his car keys from the concierge. Romney looked like a president. Obama looked like some dude who was tired of his job. This is a game changer.

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bystander
bystander

I have a comment sitting in moderation to support my claim that this debate was not likely to be any kind of game changer... I also observe that comment could have a detrimental effect on my commenting privileges...

bystander
bystander

This might get me banned from this site... Still... I dunno, Yvette. Apparently, you and Andrew Sullivan aren't the only people suffering a bit of angst. But what happened on Wednesday night — and, more to the point, what the president allowed to happen on Wednesday night — has changed this entire election. -Charles Pierce But, I doubt it. That presidential debates can be “game changers” is a belief almost universally held by political pundits and strategists. Political scientists, however, aren’t so sure. Indeed, scholars who have looked most carefully at the data have found that, when it comes to shifting enough votes to decide the outcome of the election, presidential debates have rarely, if ever, mattered. -John Sides The first of three debates between President Obama and Mitt Romney airs tomorrow. History is littered with examples of debate performances that allegedly decided elections. There was John F. Kennedy beating Richard Nixon due to the latter’s not-ready-for-prime-time scruff. There was Gerald Ford losing after asserting that the Soviet Union didn’t dominate Eastern Europe. There was Ronald Reagan’s “there you go again” comeback to Jimmy Carter, and Lloyd Bensten’s admonition that Dan Quayle is “no Jack Kennedy.” But did any of those actually matter? The best political science says no. - Dylan Matthews IMO, The only entity to whom these debates matter is the press committed to "horse race" analysis, and the bloggers who want to imitate them. Which is probably why we won't see discussed that laundry list that Conor Friedersdorf observes is missing. There's no there there. And, reportedly, there was very little there there in what was discussed. Once you move past the optics, the differences are left to the projected wishes and imagination of the voters.

Yvette
Yvette

A lot of good stuff in there to chew on bystander. I don't know. If I was one of those independent voters still on the fence, I think last night would've pushed me to give Romney a second look. Independent voters seem, at least to me, waiting for red lights and green lights, on either side. They want a reason to call it, and that's what last night looked like to me. 58 million people watched, and I have a hard time believing that a slice of those people weren't influenced one way or another. Maybe they weren't .... polls forthcoming I assume... But I agree that there's little daylight between these two men. And that's why many people I know, myself included, are still debating whether to vote third party. That's the direction I'm leaning...

sammy davis
sammy davis

Obama won the night in suburban Virginia, Colorado, I-4 corridor in Florida and southern Florida. Not to mention Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa. Undecided walmart women loved it. The two undecided latina women in the CNN focus group loved it. The white elementary school teacher, said she got know specifics from Romney. No change from her.The Obama Campaign is running a focus/interest group/regional/swing state campaign that is hard for pundits and base to appreciate it. Also, deficit leaning independents loved it. Wall Street bashing 99%'s loved it. And think about who votes early. Are Floridians and Iowans close to Medicare age, "if you arr 54 or 55 you better listen to this", thinking about Voucher program on the way to dropping off their early ballot. Yes! Romney is in trouble.

Lar
Lar

Seriously? Any objective observation of what now passes as a presidential debate would conclude that Obama came out on the short end. To quote "scott" from another blog, "Obama fought the mannequin, and the mannequin won."

sammy davis
sammy davis

Obama won the night in suburban Virginia, Colorado, I-4 corridor in Florida and southern Florida. Not to mention Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa. Undecided walmart women loved it. The two undecided latina women in the CNN focus group loved it. The white elementary school teacher, said she got know specifics from Romney. No change from her.The Obama Campaign is running a focus/interest group/regional/swing state campaign that is hard for pundits and base to appreciate it. Also, deficit leaning independents loved it. Wall Street bashing 99%'s loved it. And think about who votes early. Are Floridians and Iowans close to Medicare age, "if you arr 54 or 55 you better listen to this", thinking about Voucher prgram on the way to dropping off their early ballot. Yes! Romney is in trouble.

Yvette
Yvette

You're the only person I've spoken to who believes Obama won the evening. I want some of what you're drinking... or smoking.

sammy davis
sammy davis

You of all people should understand that conventional wisdom and snap judgments are not always accurate. The debate strategy was to go after 2-4% of the electorate. That's it. Check out the CNN version again, watch how Obama with head down showing gray hairs would shake his head at one of Romney's lies and then the lines would go negative. Or, consider, who is voting early and where and imagine the impact of an ad campaign using Romney's own words on Medicare supporting a private insurance voucher plan because he is rich enough to change companies. It's a easy call that Obama won. Listen to the young latina women in the undecided focus group say she left the debate leaning Obama because he connected to her when he looked into the camera. The people who may ultimately push Obama over the top are not people like you (well you aren't an Obama fan , but you get my point) and me that follow politics, and get our news from progressive or liberal outlets. It's people like the latina women who are still undecided but end up liking and connecting to Obama more. It's the rural Virginia waitress who won't vote for the CEO business type who comes to her diner on the road driving up Rt. 81 and starts acting pushy and loud like they own the place. Or the 56 year Floridan who already has no retirement or savings , will have to get a voucher plan in a few years.

Yvette
Yvette

I'm not making a snap judgement. I thought about it all last night, and much of the morning, and I keep coming back to the same conclusion - Obama got beat. And if that was his debate strategy, I think it was wrongheaded. Nobody likes a loser, not even the folks who are backing said loser. The people who are voting early already have their minds made up, and that's fine, but I doubt that they were influenced to vote FOR Obama based on last night's performance. I do believe Obama won the Medicare exchange portion of the debate, but that's about it. Even Obama's finish was lazy and slard, like something out of a student government speech. I can't clarify any of that as a win.